Really well said

I haven't seen an analysis from your perspective before. Lines up very well with my experience from the Southern US.

And as they continue to vote against their own interests it becomes a self-perpetuating system.

Say your going to tax the billionaires at 50% and use that money to pay for Healthcare and child care, don't cozy up to them so you can raise another billion dollars to lose another election .

That was basically Harris' tax plan.

What Would Kamala Harris's Tax Plans Mean For You? | Kiplinger - https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/kamala-harriss-tax-plans-2024

Probably because he's offering them a solution to there problems, deport the immigrants and bring manufacturing back. His plan is dumb and won't work but at least he's putting something forward unlike Harris who says everything will stay the same.

This is exactly what I was pointing out to my friends. Every one of us are making six figures, and could not understand why anybody would vote Trump.

And I asked them how many people in their lives are poor, living paycheck to paycheck. I have family members who are working two or three jobs to get by. All the work Biden did is not being seen or recognized by them.

Are they are under-educated yokels? Are they morons for not keeping up with politics? You can call them what ever you want. Theyre still a voter.

Face it: what they're hearing from Democrats vs what they're hearing from Trump are pretty clear cut and we can stay in this echo chamber all we want on Lemmy. Those folks aren't listening to us. They're just trying to survive and will vote accordingly.

Republicans have had a vice grip on our state and local politics for 40 years...BUT ITS THE LIBRULS FAULT

That would make sense if Oklahoma hadn’t voted that way every time regardless of who the previous president was. But I mean, conservatives are pretty good at inverting their arguments. So I’m sure when Bush left office, they voted for Romney because they were so happy with how the Bush admin went. But when Obama left, they voted for Trump because they were so unhappy with how the Obama administration went. Simple!

Maybe they voted against the incumbent

I wouldn't be so confident about assigning such motivation.

Working classes don’t need healthcare or education? Quality of life is irrelevant? A strong economy doesn’t matter? One of the highest minimum wages doesn’t affect working class? I

Free college (depending on income)doesn’t matter?

Ever been to MA?

Crapton of working class people there. I mean a lot. It is possible to have top-tier education and health care yet have working class people in the same State.

Being a rural state does not by default equate to “working class”. If anything it probably means more people per capita on government assistance or in poverty.

maybe youre just completely unfamiliar with the word "conservative". those red states dont want change. they want to conserve their regressive stance.

You think a rich nepo baby wants to help working class Americans instead of himself and his rich friends? LOL

Conservative =/= Status quo

Conservative = Regressive

Oklahoma has voted for Republican presidential candidates all but once since 1952 (in 1964), with the Democratic candidate having failed to pick up a single county in the state in all elections since 2004

History. What you obviously weren't taught.

You must be from Oklahoma.

The maps were identical in 2020 (following a republican administration):

Oklahoma 2020

Massachusetts 2020

And 2008 (following a republican administration):

Oklahoma 2008

Massachusetts 2008

Once you get back to pre-social media era internet, you begin to see Oklahoma have shades of blue.

2000 1996 1992 1988

Perhaps we could collaborate on this.

Now that I have pulled Oklahoma’s electoral results going back to 1988, now you can pull Oklahoma’s education results going back over the same period of time and we can see if there is, in fact, a correlation between the quality of education (overall education rankings) and how the state votes in presidential elections.

I suspect that it was not purely the quality of education which influenced the “red shift”. I would bet that the lower-quality of education made the influence of social media more effective for those targeting the less educated to adopt a conservative political position.

Just share your findings here and we can work together.

I see the ones under republican state leadership, clamoring for change, yet in reality voting for the same assholes that govern them into the ground? Not sure how you’re not seeing that, though I imagine it’s willful

this might just be the dumbest thing i've ever read

Oh no! #1 in cost of living and #1 in quality if life? And among the lowest poverty?

Do people really just need social support to thrive? No way! It's gotta be stuff! Cheap stuff! That's what life's all about!

Post civil war, the USA should have imposed rules that enforced integration.

They didn't have the will, and now we reap the consequences as a nation, to have the south still stuck in the moral degradation that comes with dehumanizing a portion of our population to the point of enslavement.

It was. And in fact the Supreme Court ruled in McGirt v. Oklahoma that the reservations still exist. One consequence is that Google Maps now shades the entire eastern half of the state in dark shading showing the borders between the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw, and so forth.

The tribal governments are taking an increasing role in providing public services to all of the citizens within their borders, as the civil state government descends deeper into libertarianism.

Oklahoma was built on genocide. Is it any wonder those that govern it are garbage people.