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Arab American precincts in Wayne County rejected Kamala Harris (www.freep.com)

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In Wayne County, Arab American precincts rejected Kamala Harris, with Biden receiving 82% of the vote in 2020 and Harris only 23% in 2024.

Trump’s outreach to Arab American and Muslim communities, including visits to Dearborn and Hamtramck, contributed to his increased support.

Harris’s performance in Dearborn, where she received only 13% of the vote in the south end, reflects the backlash against Biden’s handling of foreign policy in the Middle East.

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[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 90 points 8 months ago

they only care about themselves, and their misguided belief that they are 'doing the right thing' and 'paying back' biden.

if they cared at all about gaza, about the west bank, about palestine and its people, they would have come out in force, and in support of democrats from coast to coast. anything to prevent another trump presidency.

trump was never on their side and will let israel do whatever they want.

just like he'll let russia do whatever they want and ukraine will cease to exist. protest votes, like those in michigan, helped doom ukraine, too.

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Harris could've fixed that by promising not to blow up Palestine. This is purely on her and Biden for being unelectable, not on people refusing to vote for someone who will wipe them out

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

not on people refusing to vote for someone who will wipe them out

Man I totally forgot Trump is actually a peace loving, human-rights respecting person and totally won't give Israel a blank check. Can't wait for the news article about how Trump's totally gonna get Israel to stop!

Good thing we didn't vote in BlUe MagA right guys?

[-] wildtamaskan@pawb.social 18 points 8 months ago

I'm afraid these guys are incapable of complex morale situations, not understanding how the lines are blurred in most situations. They just want everything to be good or bad, nothing in between.

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Nah, I just don't like Palestinians being ethnically cleansed by weapons I paid for. Wish liberals could say the same, but yall believe genocide is a necessary sacrifice to gain power

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

Palestinians being ethnically cleansed by weapons I paid for.

Well good news! Now your taxes will pay for the ethnical cleansing of Palestinians AND Americans with Trump! Congratulations!!

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Nah, I just don’t like Palestinians being ethnically cleansed by weapons I paid for.

Then explain in detail how allowing Trump to be President achieves this goal. Go on. Do it.

[-] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Let's not stop the genocide, instead let's advocate for lil genocide. It's a compromise with BIG genocide. Oh no, that plan didn't work, the people who wanted genocide voted for big genocide. And the people who wanted no genocide didn't vote. Damn those no genocide voters, don't they know that a lil genocide is better than big genocide?

I will learn nothing from this and do it again.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Weird how repeatedly calling for an immediate cease fire and a two state solution in Israel = "lil genocide".

March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas

"Monday's meeting in Washington, D.C., comes one day after Harris called for an immediate, temporary cease-fire in Gaza to facilitate an exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners and detainees. Harris is expected to continue pressing Israel to pause the fighting and allow more humanitarian aid into Gaza."

July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315

"Vice President Kamala Harris met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in private Thursday and followed it with a strikingly forceful call on his government to get a cease-fire deal done and ease the suffering of civilians in Gaza."

September - https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024/card/harris-calls-for-ceasefire-in-gaza-while-trump-claims-she-hates-israel--isokhfqmy6EgRGrUOSuK

"Vice President Kamala Harris reiterated her call for a ceasefire-for-hostage deal in Gaza while expressing sympathy for both Israelis and Palestinians affected by the conflict. Harris condemned the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on southern Israel but said “far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” by Israel’s ongoing military offensive in Gaza."

Do you get something out of mis-representing what she said and did? Or were you just not actually paying attention?

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[-] wildtamaskan@pawb.social 24 points 8 months ago

So allow the candidate to supercharge the extermination to win? That's one helluva strategy. Certainly one way to try and shift the blame to one side when there's plenty to go around for both dems and the uncommitted

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Yet you only ever complain about how "the uncommitted" are the problem, and never dems 🤔

[-] wildtamaskan@pawb.social 14 points 8 months ago

Having trouble reading my comment, buddy? I literally said "uncommitted and dems". Both are trying to blame the other, when in reality both have played a hand. No one's hands are clean in this

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

You're not any less obvious than someone who sees "fuck nazis" and says "fuck nazis AND communists". Your problem isn't liberals, hence why you never complain about them and only complain about others, despite claiming both are at fault. If yall liberals really still think leftists believe any of your transparent lies, you're very mistaken

[-] wildtamaskan@pawb.social 7 points 8 months ago

Pointing out uncommitted and 3rd party voters are just as much to blame for trump regaining office as liberal democrats are isn't not the same thing as responding to "fuck nazis" with "fuck nazis and communists." One is expressing an opinion which gives away your character while the other one points out the roles both groups made. You may not like it, but defaulting to not voting for either of the two parties in a 2-party system doesn't make you innocent of the fact that the worst elect won in part because of a choice you and many others made. The lib politicians and leaders are assholes, but they were miles better than trump. But I guess you're thinking otherwise with the way you throw "liberal" around like an insult to everyone you disagree with.

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[-] mortalic@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Do you see it yet?

[-] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 17 points 8 months ago

Harris refused to take a stand against Israel so why should they vote for her?

Why are they selfish? Because they didn't vote how YOU wanted? Who's being selfish here?

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Oh yea, because Trump's definitely gonna take a stand against Israel and TOTALLY won't give them a blank check and encourage genocide. Nope.

At least we didn't give that blUe MagA the Trifecta! We did it Lemmy!

[-] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

They didn't vote for trump. They didn't vote. Both sides promised to continue the genocide. That's pretty fair.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"A non-vote is a vote for Trump"

Trump did not gain a whole lot of raw votes compared to 2020. Last I saw he had figures of a net gain of ~500k

Harris fell 4 million short. If you didn't vote because of some stupid protest, you voted for Trump. Netanyahu publicly wanted Trump to win.

AFAIC, every protest-voter, every third-party voter, every "BlUe MAgA" screecher is a MAGAt who directly contributed to this shit show we're about to have.

[-] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Let's see how many more elections y'all gotta lose before you learn. Or maybe y'all lost the big one because you just couldn't stop yourselfs from begging for leftist votes you couldnt compromise with.

Except it's not even you. Your just a random dude body blocking for a billion dollar campaign. Human being to human being here, why can't you blame the DNC? Genuinely? They ran the election, they got the polls, they knew what was popular and what they would win votes with but we're unwilling to do it and gambled on a different strategy. Is that not their fault?

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

why can't you blame the DNC?

Oh I do, but they are not 100% here, in all likelihood MAGA would have fallen apart had he lost and then we could have had our hand ringing and protest votes and all that for 4 years. Giving the Rs the senate and house would have been preferable to a Trump presidency if you wanted to protest something.

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[-] D1G17AL@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Oh cause that is really going to help things. That's such a stupid stance to take. It's a complete abdication of any agency or power they have as voters. In this election a non-vote was a vote for Trump cause most likely non-voters were the pearl clutching centrist democrats who were literally one-issue voters. One-issue voters are pathetic and stupid.

[-] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

And yet Trump was the man Netanyahu wanted. Why in the world wouldn't that be their sign. Oh, I guess to be fair it doesn't rhyme, so it was probably hard for you guys to understand.

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

This is the thing I can stand least about liberals. They're the smartest, most moral people in the world and anyone who doesn't vote their way for any reason is stupid and bad

[-] wildtamaskan@pawb.social 20 points 8 months ago

"Voting 3rd party or sitting out during the election basically cedes the election to one of two parties. We should at least choose the party that has a better chance to be swayed against genocide than the one who openly advocates for the genociders to 'finish the job'"

"L1b3RaL!!1!a"

I'm not saying liberals are the smartest and most moral people, they definitely aren't. But dismissing reality of the American political system and the almost certain likelihood of the US presidential election to vote for neither of the two main parties and expecting something good to come out of it is pretty telling to one's critical thinking skills.

[-] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

I expect nothing good to come from voting 🤷

[-] wildtamaskan@pawb.social 13 points 8 months ago

Great, so you're part of the problem just like the democrats are 👍

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[-] D1G17AL@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Too many people in this thread think they know better about the average voter. Most Americans don’t actually give a shit about politics. It’s getting them to care is the problem. Most people in the USA are too fucking stupid for their own good. Most of the people in this thread are too sensitive to realize they are part of the problem. Arab Americans aren’t directly responsible for Trump’s win but they contributed to it by holding out their votes on a single issue. If both candidates were literally the same as each other besides their stance on Gaza then I can see the logic of not voting for one over the other or abstaining. This was not the case. Most of you trying to act like Harris should have come out and promise to personally stop the genocide don’t realize that the Jewish population in America controls more money, power and influence than the Arab vote. So both sides are going to go out of their way to support Israel. You pearl clutchers don’t get this.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

In support of, (checks notes) ... The woman who never meaningfully distanced herself from Biden's policy of funding the Genocide of their families.

Yeah. Super shocked. Super.

[-] joker125@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Well at least they can complain altogether when Trump reports them all.

Stupid fucking people.

[-] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Mask drops and the liberal becomes racist when the race in question doesn't vote for their party. Classic. It's so classic that I can show you a song from 1966 singing it

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

People who don't agree with you aren't stupid. They just have a different life they're living.

[-] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 8 months ago

I'm not going to laugh if trump starts deporting Muslims - including those here legally... but I probably won't feel too bad about it either.

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

L*berals will see literal genocide and say "this is ok bc they deserve it for not voting blue no matter who"

[-] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

German liberal 1936

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'll feel bad, along with when they come for all the other immigrant groups who voted for Trump, and eventually for the rest of us.

Now is the time to build coalitions, and work together to confront what is coming.

We keep talking about how to "get through" to voters...

Well, cold reality is a very effective tool, and many people will be regretting their choices in the coming days. We'd be stupid to turn them away instead of showing them we believe in the same core values.

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

Agreed on all but one point:

Ukraine won’t cease to exist. They’ll just fulfill their threat to execute a crash nuclear weapons development program, if that truly becomes their only option.

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'll be watching how this bold strategy plays out in Gaza.

Oh, this is a shocking turn of events.

To clarify, this is not a new quote. However, this is the new Ambassador to Israel, I'm given to understand.

[-] blazera@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Shit, theyre gonna start bombing gaza and murdering women and children when Trumps inaugurated

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[-] blazera@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Democrats told them to shut up about it. So they did...

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I don't know many things but the voters are obviously to blame. We drew 100 different trolley problems and told them democracy and women's rights were on the line. We even had Bill Clinton logically explain that Palestinians were human shields. We even had better policy even though most voters didn't know it. I can only conclude voters are selfish and that's why they vote against their own interests.

[-] TherapyGary 8 points 8 months ago

You had me in the first half- took me to 'human shields' before I recognized the tone lol

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

In Wayne County, Arab American precincts rejected Kamala Harris

Turns out war crimes dont win votes.

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