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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

I think Bernie is giving too much credit to Americans. IMO the election doesn't show that the Dems abandoned anybody, it shows that half the voters in the country are fucking idiots. To help them you would have to trick them into letting you. Unfortunately most people with that ability are assholes who are only going to use the amorphous mass of stupidity for their own benefit.

[-] refalo@programming.dev 7 points 5 days ago

this is the real based take. may the salt of your enemies enhance the flavor of your meals.

[-] hglman@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

The election Margin was under 200k people in 3 states. Correctly people in safe states voted for what they wanted not what they had to do.

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago

America needs more people like Bernie, too bad Republicans and Democrats are hopeless and don’t get it

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 118 points 6 days ago

The last great presidential candidate. The only once I’ve ever actually liked.

Hopefully more senators like AOC will come around that were motivated by Bernie and can take the party over.

[-] RubicTopaz@lemmy.world 94 points 6 days ago

I hope liberals learn from this and start organizing. The billionaire-funded Democrat party will never pin blame on the capitalists that fund them to get working class votes.

As this article points out:

Bernie’s coalition was filled with the exact type of voters who are now flocking to Donald Trump: Working class voters of all races, young people, and, critically, the much-derided bros. The top contributors to Bernie’s campaign often held jobs at places like Amazon and Walmart. The unions loved him. And— never forget — he earned the coveted Joe Rogan endorsement that Trump also received the day before the election this year. It turns out, the Bernie-to-Trump pipeline is real! While that has always been used as an epithet to smear Bernie and his movement, with the implication that social democracy is just a cover for or gateway drug to right wing authoritarianism, the truth is that this pipeline speaks to the power and appeal of Bernie’s vision as an effective antidote to Trumpism. When these voters had a choice between Trump and Bernie, they chose Bernie. For many of them now that the choice is between Trump and the dried out husk of neoliberalism, they’re going Trump.

Read Blackshirts and Reds

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Liberals and neoliberals are the problem. The only solution is for progressives to start a new party. The DNC just showed that it is incapable of learning, constantly courting the right that will never actually vote for them, or telling billionaire donors to fuck off.

Liberals are just conservatives that refuse to take their masks off. Neoliberals even more so. These are the "white moderates," and the "supporters of the MIC," that Martin Luther King Jr., and Eisenhower warned us about.

Bernie showed us the way forward. Billionaires are merely dragons to be slain and ignored.

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 16 points 6 days ago

We need at least one new party in this country, and one that runs for local elections first to build a bench of people who can run for higher office.

Even if I didn’t believe the national Green Party was just a spoiler (regardless of how they started out,) they spend all their time and energy pushing a presidential candidate every four years rather than working on ground game.

I think states like Texas are actually fertile ground if you focus on what people are dealing with in their day to day life and start small-county commissions, town council positions, even sheriff if you have a county where the local sheriff is unpopular and your party platform is looking at criminal justice reform.

I also think pushing for changes to use ranked choice voting with proportional representation would generate long-term change. Single Tranferable Vote has worked well in Ireland, and historically it worked well in multiple American cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote?wprov=sfti1

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Please note that the "Bernie bros" that became right wing could have been psyops. I've seen a few ones stupidly admitting it, because Trump would have struggled against Bernie, maybe even have lost in a landslide.

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[-] ifGoingToCrashDont@lemmy.world 88 points 6 days ago

The right are perpetually angry. They are angry when they win and angry when they lose. It's a hallmark of their cult. There's no pleasing these people because they don't know what they're angry about, they just prefer to be angry.

[-] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

He’s spot-on. I’m pissed and do want change.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 23 points 5 days ago

Both sides do.

It's just a shame that was the only real option on the ballot.

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is exactly what happened - not that there weren't any real options on the ballot, but that people are fucking idiots. You don't even get that this comic is about you.

[-] 1371113@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

It’s really not and you’ve missed their point. Tbqh it’s more about you than about them.

[-] stinerman@midwest.social 49 points 6 days ago

I think the Democrats are too far right, but that's not what lost them the election. What lost them the election is that voters think the President controls the price of groceries, and if cheaper groceries means killing a lot of brown people, that's a small price to pay.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 36 points 6 days ago

Trump is going to prove that the President controls the price of groceries by enacting tariffs on imported food and getting rid of all the people who catch, raise, and harvest our food. He's going to make grocery prices go through the roof.

[-] stinerman@midwest.social 23 points 6 days ago

I'm sure that will be blamed on someone else. Probably trans people.

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

It's a toss up between them or the "illegals." While they do hate trans people, it's a more convincing argument for people who aren't complete idiots to say it's because of an increased demand caused by non-citizens taking resources from patriotic American citizens™

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The Democratic party has failed us. We need an actual workers party and we have about 3 years to build it.

Join PSL if you have not already

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[-] interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 51 points 6 days ago

I want Bernie for president and I'm not even American.

[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 67 points 6 days ago

We tried. And almost got him. But then the DNC Services Corp rigged the game against us to stop him.

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 27 points 6 days ago

I’ve said this before but the DNC is actually just another wing of the Oligarchy. They exist to provide a fabricated conflict so that people think it’s a divide based on ideals, not on class divide it truly is. Look at the wealth of all of the leaders in the DNC. It’s pretty much the same circles and wealth as the RNC.

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[-] derf82@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago

I’m tired of being told how awesome the economy is. It’s great for the rich, but the cost of necessities like housing, food, and healthcare has outpaced the CPI, so we all feel worse. A cheaper big screen tv doesn’t help much if you can’t afford the basics.

Aggregate economic data only says so much. Lots of INDIVIDUAL people are suffering. While the CPI is one basket of products, everyone has their own, and this everyone has their own rate of inflation. So saying wages have kept up with inflation is a fallacy on 2 fronts. Some saw income outpace the CPI, others it did not and they’ve lost income. But even among the former group, everyone had a personal rate of inflation that may well be higher than the CPI.

Instead, the wealthy and politicians look at averages and medians and assume it’s just negative feelings. But we were alive in the 90s. We were alive in the early 2000s. We know about the 50s and 60s. We know the economy used to be better for working people. We want better.

Trump, of course, will not deliver that. But Harris didn’t inspire confidence she would, either.

[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

My wife is a teacher, so we use her healthcare, but I still peek in at the healthcare at my job when enrollment comes along, just to be diligent.

It went up 20% this year, from $600 to $720. If you make $30K a year and got a 3% cost of living adjustment, you make less this year than last year from healthcare alone.

Food, gas, rent, cars, childcare, utilities, everything is up. I guess it's cool that US steel or something might be doing well, and the stock market is up, but that minimally affects the day to day of most people.

[-] derf82@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

My raises, baring promotion, are 2% a year. I did the math. I’ve lost $10,000 a year to inflation at this point. In aggregate it’s around $22,000 at this point.

[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago

And yet every newscast has a stock ticker. Even NPR gives the stock index ratings several times a day.

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[-] notsure@fedia.io 42 points 6 days ago

....something, something, Bernie warned us about this in a video 20 years ago, something, something, status quo.....

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago

It is so incredibly refreshing to hear someone with (however limited) power say what I've been seeing with the naked eye.

A four-hour drive through rural America last week showed me this: trump signs in the very poorest and the very richest yards, for miles and miles. There was the occasional Harris sign for obviously middle-class dwellings but not all.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 days ago

He describes the plight of these people correctly, and while they haven't been offered enough by the dems, they aren't choosing the republicans because they are offering them more. They're choosing them because they fear change and the Republicans promise to protect them from change. The fear comes from ignorance / lack of a decent rural education system.

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[-] s08nlql9@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago

i hope Bernie discovers Fediverse and stop using the broken bird site

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[-] vordalack@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago

Why more people didn't vote for Bernie Sanders still confuses me. His policies would benefit the majority of the working class and end poverty for millions of Americans.

[-] ysjet@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

We weren't allowed to.

[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

And what did the working class do this election?
They gave the keys to the kingdom to the con men, and that includes the twitter and amazon assholes.
That'll fix things! That'll show 'em!

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

For once I disagree with Bernie.

You can blame the DNC for being useless and out of touch but they always have been, nothing changed there. You can blame them for their shitty messaging and not listening to the concerns of working people ... ditto.

What changed in this election is that millions of people, who know Trump is a a liar, a criminal, a rapist, a narcissist ... I could go on and on. Well, they decided to vote for him because none of those negative traits were sufficiently off-putting.

This was a test of the collective character and morality of the nation and the United States failed that test miserably. Put it down to a poor standard of public education, Russian/Iranian/Chinese propaganda, accelerationism, racism, misogyny, whatever mix of reasons you're comfortable with. Could the DNC have done better? Absolutely. Would the DNC doing better have won the election for Harris? Probably not, given the margin of victory.

[-] doublehelix@lemmy.cafe 27 points 6 days ago

Trump's vote was largely static. He didn't add significant support in any way. We already knew a third of the country was filled with regressive assholes. The reason he won was that over 15 million people who voted for Biden in 2020 sat this one out. This was 100% a messaging failure and the DNC deserves all the blame. Sanders is absolutely right here. We wanted to hear about unions and job protection and taxing billionaires, not see Harris try to court right wingers while paling around with that fucking ghoul Liz Cheney and her war criminal father. They fucked up, they lost.

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[-] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago

Too late Bernie, there was a need to speak way before this election started. yet you preferred to side with Biden when everyone could see that he was cooked, and preferred to blindly endorse kamala, her policies and her campaign through out the few pas months, you didn't even negotiate a damn thing for your endorsement even when knowing you have a sizable following.

[-] chetradley@lemm.ee 15 points 5 days ago

He made it clear where he differed from Biden and Harris, but encouraged his supporters to vote for them. Are you proposing that he should have encouraged his supporters to ditch Harris, giving Trump an even more sizable lead?

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