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They just signed Gaza's death warrant.
No. The election results are a blowout, larger than just this subcommunity.
I'm annoyed at Muslims for failing to back Harris and prevent the future atrocities. But I will not blame them. Trump got too many votes in general, and might even win the popular vote.
EDIT: We need a bigger reckoning than just blaming a minority of the minority. I don't want to blame Harris either, she seemed to do the best that she was given but it always was long odds given that she's a Half-Indian Half-Black Woman. (Racism from Whites, Racism from Indians for being a race-traitor, and then sexism from everyone including minorities).
But this is a bigger election loss than "just" a minority failing to show up to vote. We lost the Senate, Presidency, and probably the House.
EDIT: Kamala needed to win PA, WI, and MI. She literally lost all three of them. A large outspoken minority of just one State (MI) is not to blame for the PA or WI losses.
I don't want to blame Harris either, she seemed to do the best that she was given but it always was long odds given that she's a Half-Indian Half-Black Woman. (Racism from Whites, Racism from Indians for being a race-traitor, and then sexism from everyone including minorities).
This is bullshit rhetoric. She ran a shit campaign of trying to appease republican voters and cater to the snowflake right wing fear machine by shushing Palestine voices to back genocide directly and trying to sound tougher on immigration and border policy in the face of literal fascist policy campaigns by Trump. This is 100% the fault and failure of the Harris campaign’s strategy and the DNC for being so chicken shit scared of losing that they kept the corpse in chief in the running for too long. Catering to the fascist right policies never works and ignoring insanely popular progressive policy always fails. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
I will say a large swath of the country moved to the right (anti-immigration, anti-trans, etc) and so trying to push progressive values in a time where people believe progressive values are what led to inflation is a losing argument as well that wouldn't have gotten much national support.
There were literal commercials framing Kamala as a villain for having empathy about trans people in prison.
I will say a large swath of the country moved to the right (anti-immigration, anti-trans, etc) and so trying to push progressive values in a time where people believe progressive values are what led to inflation is a losing argument as well that wouldn't have gotten much national support.
A large swath of the country that wouldn't vote Democrat in a million years. As a Democrat presidential candidate, you straight up don't care about those people. You care about the other half, which moved to the left and includes demographics that have historically responded to leftist messaging.
I agree with you in general but you should be blaming Harris. Have you even been keeping up with her campaign? I couldn't believe that shit and I'm not even American. She managed to squander a massive headstart by... Being Harris.
You're annoyed they didn't back the person providing the weapons to kill their families?
This election loss had nothing to do with her gender or ethnicity. She was a shit candidate that alienated huge chunks of the population.
They took the pistol out of the person's hand that was pointed at them and replaced it with a bazooka. Good job. Very well thought out /s.
How do you not get this?
I voted for Harris, but I also realize that this "They took the pistol out of the person’s hand that was pointed at them and replaced it with a bazooka" is a seriously poor description of Israel and the Gaza conflict in regards to Harris and Trump.
Harris didn't really offer anything substantially better for Palestine than Trump did. Yes, Trump personally wouldn't mind it if Israel just completely bulldozed the entire West Bank and Gaza tomorrow and annexed the whole thing. Harris wouldn't support that. But the real barrier to that kind of full-on ethnic cleansing is not US military support. Even with full US backing, Israel can't do that kind of full-on ethnic cleansing without becoming subject to complete trade embargoes by every country in Europe.
Israel has been physically capable of completely annexing the West Bank and Gaza for decades. They've taken the slow approach to ethnic cleansing - slowly taking territory via zoning building permits - precisely because they need to balance their territorial ambitions with their need for trade with other nations. This is what ultimately restrains them from their worst possible crimes.
Neither Trump nor Kamala would have used US military aid to rein in Israel. Neither would use US military forces to prevent an all-out genocide attempt by Israel. Trump wouldn't oppose an overt Israeli genocide against the Palestinians. But if Israel gets to that point, then they're not going to be thinking about US military aid at that point.
As a practical matter, Trump vs Kamala is a wash for the Palestinians.
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Your response is coming from the entitlement of not having your entire extended family disappeared.
I'm glad you have that privilege.
Don't murder peoples families and expect their support.
"Yes, we murdered your entire extended family, but we need your help to beat this person we swear would kill your family 110% faster. Never mind the fact that we already killed all of your extended family"
What don't you get about this? You and people like you have zero credibility given what the people you support ALREADY HAVE DONE with the people they've done it to.
"I would do nothing different than Joe Biden"
-- Kamala Harris
That death warrant was signed October 7 2023
Well now you've handed Gaza to the butcher and good luck if you want to protest without getting arrested.
If every single Jill Stein voter had voted for Harris instead, Trump still would have won.
They’re complete fucking idiots throwing away their vote . . . but at least they went to the trouble of voting?
Voting is always better than not voting, yes.
And in a functional democratic system, voting for a candidate who's against genocide would be better than voting for a candidate who's currently part of the government supplying the genociders.
Sadly, the US aren't such a system.
To be fair protesters were already being injured and arrested. I know we're all still hurting at the election loss but let's not kid ourselves with the current administration either.
You might want to start drinking heavily for what comes next.
If true, fucking morons. You just handed the keys to the guy who is single handedly going to let the Middle East burn.
You mean the ME that's currently burning?
Yes, why I used the word "let". It converts it is currently in progress.
Wait til he suggest (again) to just nuke it.
Biden/Harris has finished the job, there is no more Gaza to nuke
If you'd truly believe this utter bullshit, then this one issue that determines this vote would be gone anyway, making it even more plausible to vote for the "lesser evil" instead of handing the US to the fascists.
Nothing about Harris was the lesser evil. Surrounding yourself with war criminals, people that voted 75% of the time with trump, cops, zionists, Republicans, while spouting right wing dig whistles is not the lesser evil.
If you think Trump is the lesser evil then you're either a fucking moron or arguing in bad faith, or both. Maybe stop drinking that Tankie kool-aid.
Lesser evil is a fantasy liberals tell themselves because they know they are choosing evil over choosing what's right. There is only evil, and it comes in shades of red and blue
There is a Gaza to give completely to Israel tho
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If all of these people voted Harris, Trump still won.
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Oh great, we've reached the blaming minorities part of the program.
I blame the smallest minority: jill stein
Can't wait four the next 3 years of nothing from her.
If Jill Stein wasn't there those people would've voted for someone else or stayed home. The democrats had a whole year to tell Bibi to knock it off, and they didn't.
Stein voters werent a deciding factor in any swing states. So maybe they contributed, but theres more to it than that.
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I wish I had that gif of Dems plugging their ears while walking past genocide protestors outside the convention this year.
Yes, I'm sure that will cancel out the increase in genocides and human rights violations likely to happen under Trump's admin
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The lack of support for Harris among Arab-Americans may not have been rational, but it was completely predictable—and it was something the Harris campaign could have addressed by at least suggesting she was open to reconsidering Biden’s policies.
Blame isn’t zero-sum—we’re all responsible for the predictable results of our actions (or inactions), even if those results were overdetermined.
It’s still really, really fucking stupid to vote trump. These people fucked up in the stupidest way possible with their one vote.
Preventably. Reasonably. Knowingly.
Hey don't I remember reading 189,237,490 conversations about this exact thing for the last 8 months? Where everyone was begging third party voters to bite the bullet, please, for the sake of the future of democracy in America and even a slight attempt at survival for Gaza and y'all all told us to go fuck ourselves because we all love genocide? Yeah remember those conversations?
Anything to add now? Are you happy? We told you this would happen. We begged you to please reconsider your stance for the good of everyone. But no, we're just a bunch of dumb assholes who aren't educated enough about the war in the middle east.
Learn to see the world around you, please.
This study from 2014 really explains this election for me.
For the bottom 90% of the US population, democracy fundamentally does not exist. The actions of legislators reflect the opinions of the wealthiest 10% of the population.
"Democracy," for 90% of the population, is a complete sham. Since 2016, Democrats SHOULD have been taking a hard left turn towards progressive populism. They should have been pursuing policies that are actually popular among the common people, even if those are unpopular among their wealthy donors. But while they ran on the idea of democracy, Democrats have done NOTHING to make their party actually reflect the needs of regular people. They should have been offering a bold vision to help the American people. But the DNC decided that the whims of donors was more important, and they lost as a result.
Why would you expect people to care for a democracy that means nothing to them?
Why would you expect people to care for a democracy that means nothing to them?
Because the other alternative is to take everything you hate about the way it all works and make it objectively worse, balanced even worse out of your own favor.
Look, I do understand that American democracy is fundamentally broken, and I empathize with that. I too wish for a viable third party candidate to break us out of this hellscape. But this wasn't the time. So instead I voted for the party that's been pushing RCV initiatives in some areas rather than handing a win to the party that promised they would abolish elections. On one hand we have a possible path forward and on the other hand we have guaranteed destruction, I don't like it any more than the next person but I consider a vote against guaranteed destruction to have been one that wasn't wasted. I hate that that is what American politics have come to at this point in time but I can observe the world around me and act accordingly.
THEY WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED AND THE RESULTS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME. You are willing to hurt down ballot races.
Take some responsibility for YOUR CANDIDATE.
Hey, at least Palestine won’t be an issue in 4 years!
Third party voters didn't do this. Trump still won by a lot even if all 3rd party went blue. Don't act so smug.
I love these threads. All the shitheads pop up to get blocked.
Imagine their surprise.
Honestly the schadenfreude is going to be epic on this one!
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