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“No! They’ll enjoy preserving our history to muuuch!!”
They know the dark secret of book preservation. The people preserving the books… gulp READ THEM!
Libraries facilitate widespread piracy of books, by allowing people to read them without a distribution licence, or even take them home!
This is a clear violation of the DMCA, and thus must be stopped immediately!
I get the sarcasm even if others don’t.
Someone else on Lemmy said you couldn’t invent libraries today. It’s true.
There's a group called Improv Everywhere that used to do really creative flash mobs like the No Pants Subway ride where they would all claim to have forgotten to put on pants that day, or going into a cafe and lugging 90s desktops in and dialing in, or during the Great Recession they had a suicide jumper on a 2ft high ledge which they dramatically had to talk down.
They once tried to do a "writers against libraries" stunt but it ended up not being funny enough because people kinda went "oh yeah libraries are kinda weird in that they just give out books for free"
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Actually explains a lot of decisions by game publishers the last 5-10 years if their official position is that games are meant to collect dust on a shelf rather than being played.
You can't have criticisms about the game if you put it on a shelf instead of playing it.
Sure you can, criticisms like "takes up too much shelf space" or "is too heavy for my shelf", "doesn't go with the color of my wallpaper behind the shelf".
They really want to force gamers to buy their new games which are pretty much like the old games but now with extra helpings of ads, gambling mechanics and micro transactions on top
They really want to force gamers to buy the old games, just as they were, because those are next to free to adapt to a different platform and people will pay for them.
Not to be my usual old codger, but a lot of these game in questions were microtransaction-based to being with, in the very Farmville-y format of charging you a quarter for each set of three lives and then being ungodly broken and difficult to make sure those three lives didn't last any longer than a minute each and entice you to pay for three more.
This absolutely sucks, is based on unjustifiable logic and takes the side of business over a demonstrable common good, but let's not pretend the business logic behind it was invented in 2005. Game publishers have been game publishers longer than many of the nostalgic posters have been alive.
I don't think we're talking about arcade games at this point though. We're talking to a large extent about 3rd–6th generation home gaming consoles. For Nintendo, that's the NES to GameCube. Sony entered with the PlayStation in the 5th gen, and Xbox came out in 6th.
I think a lot of people would see this (and to a slightly lesser extent the 7th gen) as the high point where games came out in a completed state and you paid once and the just enjoyed the game.
Well, no, we're talking about everything. Everything before 2010, explicitly.
I would guess most people just fill in whatever moment of their childhood there was when they would buy a thing and enjoy a thing and not worry about it too much.
Me being me (see the old codger self-identification up there), I substitute in the late 80s and 90s, when I would plead and beg for coins to squeeze in another 60 second gaming session and then go on to save for months in order to get a lesser version of that same experience at home for anywhere between 60 and 90 bucks (140-220 adjusted for inflation).
In the grand scheme of my memories, the five years after arcades were relevant and before Microsoft started charging a monthly fee to play online and Facebook started a games division are too short of a blip to consider a golden age. My nostalgia is on ranting angrily about having to purchase Street Fighter 2 for the fourth time and having Capcom re-sell the PSOne version of Resident Evil a third time for the privilege of having added analogue stick controls.
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Love how the people don't get represented or supported because of corporations and their insatiable greed.
The weird thing is, corporations can't even make any money from these older games. I guess they think that means people who can't play older games will just buy their newer garbage, and yet that's not how it works at all lol people just end up buying indie games instead these days.
It's about preserving the consumption culture for the mainstream. If playing older games for free was easier and legal, more people that now only play the newest AAA garbage would start doing it, and corpos don't want to risk that culture change, because if it gets big enough it would definitely impact their sales.
Unfortunately not many people know or care about indie games and free games like Beyond All Reason, Shattered Pixel Dungeon, etc. as is.
They could and sometimes make a relatively small amount of money, but it's more about trying to legally protect their trademarks/intellectual property as I understand it. These days I'd much rather support an indie dev over a shitty "AAA" company for sure, tired of them price gouging people for games that aren't even that good.
The AAA warning label is pretty much like the Enterprise warning label for other types of software.
Right, "if they can access the old games still, we can't pay a understaffed 3rd party a pittance to slap a coat of paint on it and resell it at full price"
They’re really in a bind though. Indie games are great because there are thousands of indie developers out there making games and we get to play any ones we want. All the indie games that fail don’t matter because we don’t need to pick the winner ahead of time.
AAA studios can’t operate this way because they can’t predict what will be a great game that everyone wants to play. The only leverage they have is that they can afford to hire a large team of artists to create all the graphics.
It’s really the same situation that Hollywood film studios are stuck in and the result is basically the same. Hollywood makes their MCU graphics extravaganzas and AAA studios makes their Call of Dutys.
Depending on marketing & their dedication to bringing it to market...again... they can & they do. Digitally. Nintendo has sold old video games on the Wii, Wii U platform. Then, they packaged & released the NES & SNES Classic consoles, very smart move actually & it was a cute product that appealed to many consumers.
Since then, Nintendo's greed has grown. They no longer sell because they don't want you to own copies of old videogames....they want to rent them to you by the month or year. Via Nintendo Online subscriptions, you can browse the whole catalog & play all kinds of old games. It requires a Switch, an internet connection, and don't forget that sweet, sweet Nintendo Online subscription. Once you've gotten your fix & you cancel your subscription, you own nothing & they've got your money. This is their goal, everything is going according to plan. Subscription models for endless reven on old games.
You will give them your money, you will own nothing, and you will be happy.
and hilariously, Nintendo uses emulation themselves.
https://gamerant.com/nintendo-emulating-own-games-museum-windows-pc/
Hypocritical fucks
Damn, that's crazy. Here I am being happy that I have their older consoles that I'm still playing their best older games, even with modding them and using flashcarts too etc. I guess retro gamers are a bit of a dying breed, but there's still some people out there like me.
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Well that's fucking stupid.
.... but not surprising.
Corruption from potato supreme all the way down and back up to Orange Hitler
🐶 NO PLAY
🐶 ONLY BUY
They can dick about as much as they want, piracy will make sure to preserve the things they want gone. The reason they don't want older games to be preserved is that new generations, whilst playing them, may come to realize that you don't need gacha mechanics, stupid fomo, micro transactions, 6 different currencies, 3 different shop menus, 2 battlepasses and so forth to have a good game.
Imagine Beethoven refusing to release his catalog of works because people might stop listening to newer music. Gg capitalism.
I wonder if the EU can somehow prevent DMCA being applied to European internet users.
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I don't think I'll ever buy a game from a AAA publisher again,they can't be trusted and the quality of their goods has fallen sharply the last few years.
Smaller dev teams have better/more interesting IP AND seem to care what I think as their end user.
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If im reading it correctly only the sharing is prohibited not the preservation.
I can live with that and fight again another day. As long as they still exist in an archive they will see the legal light of day someday(im being optimistic)
The high seas will take care of retro gamers who want to play them im sure, as Gaben says piracy is a service issue.
Given the industry's "you aren't buying, you are renting" mentality.... very, very optimistic.
Guess I'll have to start hoarding games now
God forbid we... checks notes preserve games so we can play them?
I guess people rent movies and books because they hate them!
How dare people use games for recreation! Why would they not think about the shareholders!
When they kill the games, they no longer make money on them. So playing without paying is not a lost sale, even if the player is corrupt enough to enjoy playing. So there's no problem yeah?
This reeks of selling games on a "pay per new game save" kind of move. If "replay" is a threat, how long until they move to eliminate that?
Why play old fun games, when you could subscribe to the latest bland live service FOMO skinner box masquerading as a game?
I don't know where this industry is headed but it isn't to a good place.
Don’t let them hear why a lot of people go to museums.
Game makers that sell new games that aren't completed (DLC) with DAY 1 launch problems being not only expected but usually the only way a game gets media attention these days is catastrophic launch.
They're right though. Those archived games would definitely be played... For fun. The problem is that even though the graphics aren't as good, a lot of older games were fun and had great replayability. Eventually, there will be such a big historical catalog of games that people will be able to enjoy just legacy games without ever buying new ones.
The solution is simple: have some non-profit org manage the historical catalog, sell the old games super cheap, and send that way whoever holds the rights can still get profits off the old games. They could even give you different download options like game-only, or game in a VM that is guaranteed to actually be able to run the game.
Problem with their logic is that, as stated in the article, goods such as preserved books are already used for recreation. Your idea that a catalogue of old media would prevent consumption of new media is provably false by example. People read old books and it doesn't stop them from reading new ones. Can you imagine saying this exact same thing about music? People's tastes change over time and they like new things- old things don't stop us from consuming the new things. All the copyright lobbyists are doing is preventing the public from enjoying old games that can no longer be played because the hardware is dated or there are no viable copies left.
Someone's got to do something about these fucking chicken shit publishers. I think it's time for the industry to move on without them. Everything can be self published now. We have the technology.
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