Roberts was left shocked that Americans didn’t buy his attempt to persuade them that his ruling was not about Trump, but instead focused on the office of the presidency. The court ruled that a president was largely immune from criminal prosecution for official actions.
AND WHICH FUCKING PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE, JOHN?
Shaken? Right because you weren't being a partisan hack when the special counsel asked to skip straight to proceedings because they knew the court wanted to issue a ruling and you drug your feet buying donald time. Then handed him powers not afforded in the constitution. But keep clutching those pearls.
Fuck him. Burn in hell fuck face.
People like him dont get shaken about the opinions of the commoners. He couldnt possibly care less.
Bullshit.
If he didn't expect it then he's a moron.
He is not a moron.
I don’t know, money and position in a stratified social power structure are not strong indicators of intelligence
This is why The French invented things.
Why is there a presumption of immunity? Even when there is clear self-serving corruption, the presumption of immunity takes precedence. This will go down in history as an abysmally bad decision.
Can't a man undermine democracy in peace now?
He’s not serious. Roberts is an arch conservative and has been for a long time. This is posturing to try and paint himself as a moderate, like he has been doing since before he was appointed to the bench. Fuck him.
"You mean my radical and insane interpretations of the law are insane and radical?".
Yeah, he fucking knows and is a piece of shit like the rest of these disingenuous monsters
He’s just not as confident in the shoot-the-moon approach that the rest of the fascists are using to try and take/keep power.
I would be worried to if I had just given the president immunity for all official acts. Example of a worrisome formula: Biden + official act + seal team 6 + corrupt supreme court judges = no need to pack the court to give it a liberal majority.
Maybe this columnist thinks he's "shaken", but I doubt it. The reason he acted in a more moderate way before was that the Christian Nationalist justices didn't have a strong majority and the ability to impose their agenda with impunity. The minute they had a 6-3 majority, he knew they could do whatever they wanted, and they have.
The only thing we can do about it now is elect as many Dems as possible to the House and Senate and pressure them to impose term limits and expand the Court, things that should have been done a long time ago.
And please, regardless of whether you think your vote for POTUS will count, vote anyway and fill out your full ballot because you have much more influence on your State legislature and local offices, which is where so many things that affect your life are decided.
Every single time the SC does something outrageous some version of this article comes out proclaiming his deep held belief in justice and whatever else. And every time it is complete bullshit.
pressure them to impose term limits and expand the Court
No amount of voting will implement this pressure. This has been the chronic problem: electoral victories don't translate into pressure for any given policy.
Who said electoral victories translate into pressure for a given policy? Voting them into office gets them to where they have power and can then be pressured to wield it for our benefit, which is a different type of political action than an election. Voting in elections is how you try to get people who are closest to the values you're looking for into office--and the primaries are as important as the general for that.
Organizing around an issue, speaking out with meetings, in the media, with protests, etc., calling attention and building up support for a cause--all those things exert pressure on elected officials. Read about movements in American history -- the civil rights movement, women's liberation, etc. and BTW you want to know a movement that was very effective? The fucking Tea Party movement, which led to the maga takeover of the republican party.
For some reason (lack of proper civics education in schools is part of the problem), people have this simplistic idea that all they have to do is go vote for a president every four years, get pissed that they don't like the choices, and assume that the POTUS is supposed to somehow magically fix everything, not understanding the other branches of government involved, and when it doesn't happen fast enough or at all, they get pissed and either vote for someone else or give up and don't vote or fall for a populist conman or get violent or whatever. That's not how it works!
No wonder we're where we are today. I'm sick of even talking about it any more. If people refuse to educate themselves about how our system of government is supposed to work and act accordingly then it's over, and we as a country deserve to fall into the fascism brought to us by the people who did make the effort to figure out how to achieve their agenda and went out and did it.
I guess what I mean is uncritical votes for Democrats across the House and Senate doesn't guarantee any pressure. Shit that is probably the most viable arena for third party candidates or at least candidates caucusing on a specific policy issue that people get behind, especially during primaries for each and every cycle.
Maybe I'm just being salty because my entire downballot this year is all Democrats running on working with Republicans and Republicans running on working against the Democrats.
One democrat in my old district is literally running on opposing Biden and helping Republicans with the southern border. My state borders Canada.
Biden was very specific that he was against expanding the court, and Harris is taking up every single policy position Biden did, so we can probably take this up again in 4-8 years.
Unexpected? How the fuck is backlash about a ruling saying the President is above the law unexpected?
For real. He’s either being completely disingenuous or he’s really that much of an oblivious asshole.
Unbelievably, he managed to underestimate the political awareness of the US public to his office. The bar was already on the floor.
This is a complete sanewashing article... Roberts read all the dissents, he knew exactly what he was doing. Putting Trump above the law.
Exactly. How can he claim to be shocked when the dissent told him why he's a monster? Dude is a liar.
You mean the one where he ruled that the United States has a government of men, and not of laws?
He doesn’t fear enough.
Assuming I believe anything he says in the first place. We are so divided that he won’t see consequences.
Tbh I’m low-key waiting for someone to try taking a shot at one or more members of the Tribunal of Six. They’re so obviously standing in the way of progress in so many ways. They’re only appointed for life, after all. Someone’s going to take advantage of the darker side of that statement at some point. Roberts and his ilk should be scared.
Ya, idk why people are surprised about the consequences of one party trying its damnedest to make the last box of liberty the only protected box. Like, what did they expect?
It's honestly wild that two people have tried to take a shot at Trump first. Trump's just a useful idiot to these fuckers, the real assholes that are destroying our country are the ones on the Supreme Court.
He should be. There is no way that the constitution had immunity in mind for the president. George Washington would be flipping some tables in the supreme court if he was alive.
The fact that the Supreme Court gave themselves the ability to effectively unilaterally write federal laws with Marbury v Madison was already massively overstepping bounds and the concept of checks and balances.
We need to overturn Marbury v Madison.
I don’t want him feeling “shaken”. I want him to know, deep down, undeniably to the very core of his soul, that he is a blight on humanity. He is devoid of honor and value by any moral measure. His existence on earth and in this society has done vastly more harm than good and humanity would have been better off if he had never been born. I want him to wake up every day and feel that more deeply and truly than he can feel his own breathing.
Then the rest of the list, too: Trump, Mitch McConnell, Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity. Alito, Kavanaugh, Thomas, Barrett. Gym Jordan, Mike Johnson. Steve Miller, the list goes on and on. Selfish monsters that I only wish knew how little they deserve the lives they live.
They know it and get off on being evil.
I really want someone to press one of these people on camera.
"Donald Trump has promised at multiple rallies to end the democratic process by eliminating the need to vote, and this is extremely dangerous to our democracy, therefore it is an official act of the office e of the president to order a hit on DJT, Seal teams 3 and 5 are en-route now. Such an act is official, and necessary for the country to survive therefore Joe Biden is completely immune from any prosecution."
I just want to know for sure what the reaction would be. I'm sure pearl clutching indignation (because someone thought of their idea but flipped the victims around)
It's really a situation that ought to resolve itself. If the justices vote anything as an official act is perfectly legal, then threaten those justices that voted that way with violence, assassination, nothing is off the table apparently as long as it's an official act, and reverse that decision with the remaining justices, done and dusted.
I really don't see the problem here. It's all been declared perfectly legal, nothing is off the table, it sends a strong message that this democracy will be maintained by whatever means necessary, and that as long as the president is Democrat at least, then any attempt at an all powerful king or Führer will automatically undo itself. An abrogation of power done through wielding that very power itself would be a beautiful thing to behold.
In fact, the Supreme Court justices would make a better target than Trump himself even. Trump is a political rival and it could be argued that it's Biden supporting the election of a candidate from his own party. Meanwhile targetting the Supreme Court justices would be defending basic democracy, fighting for the freedom from a despotic tyrant - the very supposed foundation of the country we're talking about, changing the composition of the Supreme Court and weakening the powers of the presidency itself, which definitely sounds like official acts rather than those of a candidate or private individual.
Oh he’s shocked everyone else doesn’t suck trump dick?
Boo hoo, fucking cry baby. Corrupt SCOTUS is too insulated from their terrible decisions.
Good. He deserves all of it for making such an obviously partisan and foolish ruling.
If anything he should be saying this more often, considering some of the other terrible decisions that have come out of his court.
Shaken?
And?
He will forget about it quickly. Until it comes back to haunt him. Then he will engage in mental gymnastics to justify it.
What this says to me is that he and other members of his majority live in a kind of bubble.
What this says to me is a veteran reporter covering the SCROTUS is just now realizing this.
I'm kind of okay with it. Nobody is doing more to advocate for and bring awareness to the need to expand the Supreme Court right now than this fucking guy.
Won't somebody think of the oligarchy!
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