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[-] MimicJar@lemmy.world 147 points 1 month ago

Unless I'm mistaken, none of those will block server-side ads.

[-] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 58 points 1 month ago

Isn't there some law that you have to visually indicate whether a given piece of content is sponsored (ad) or not? Can't that just be detected by ad blockers to skip/hide ads?

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 36 points 1 month ago

There isn't a law that I'm aware of, but typically the ad needs to be un-skippable/seek-able, which means there will always be some indication to the video player of what the user can skip or fast forward through.

That doesn't mean Google couldn't just make fast forwarding/seeking a premium feature, but they'd lose a lot of user appeal if they did so they probably wouldn't do that

[-] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Germany has this law, sponsored segments must be clearly labelled. But one could just hash the ad anyways or just try to fast forward and if it doesn't work and it would be the ad.

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[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure about the mechanism, but isn't this the same thing as ancient early DVR's like TiVo that would record from the cable stream and omit the ads segments?

[-] MimicJar@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

That's the thing, I don't think the mechanism exists (or works) yet. I'm confident it will someday, but I didn't think it worked yet.

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

IIRC, Twitch uses similar ad injection. Ad blockers get around it by opening new video streams until they find one that isn't running an ad. Could be wrong though, I'm parroting an uncited comment.

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[-] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

They can block some kinds of server-side ads. And if google has those already, they have been quite successful against youtube.

But yeah, they won't block all server-side ads.

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[-] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 102 points 1 month ago

It's so weird that YouTube is their second most profitable venture after adsense. It's like they thought, we have a virtual monopoly on internet ads, Internet video, and web browsers. Let's combine their power to make people watch non stop ads while tracking them worse than the CIA. Then, let's be very surprised when people don't like us and we get hit with antitrust lawsuits. Fuck Google.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 month ago

Google went from don't be evil to fuck you all.

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[-] tomatolung@sopuli.xyz 62 points 1 month ago

What's funny to me is how they are in a fight for their company with the FTC, and they want to continue provoking people by increasing their revenue on the back of their users on a service they might have a technical monopoly on? Hmmmm...

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago

Provoking people and in dispute with FTC don’t relate but if the FTC broke them up then you would really regret not cashing in while you could

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[-] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 month ago

Line must go up...

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[-] dwindling7373@feddit.it 58 points 1 month ago

The mom should be Firefox and the kids the plugins.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The fact that I cant go to YT and select play all on a channel anymore makes its primary use, music, pointless to me.

Another issue is Pandora, they keep forcing mobile site on Desktop User Agent setting and I work too many hours to go in and change the identifiers needed to make it work. Their app is busted as well, it asks for permissions and will semi-frequently crash when I dont give them permissions.

The whole internets basically becoming shit because of corporate incompetence. Not even willful malice, just idiocy.

[-] dwindling7373@feddit.it 6 points 1 month ago

Fun little piece of trivia: the primary use of YouTube is not, in fact, music.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fun little piece of trivia: my primary use of YouTube was, in fact, music, you illiterate nimrod.

[-] apemint@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fun little piece of trivia: Originally, nimrod used to mean "skillful hunter" (after Nimrod, the biblical figure) but then in 1940 Bugs Bunny sarcastically called Elmer Fudd a “poor little nimrod", and kids of the time not knowing the reference, simply assumed it was an insult on Elmer's character.

And that's how a cartoon rabbit single handedly changed the meaning of a word.

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[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 29 points 1 month ago

The problem is when they start doing in stream ads, that will require something new. That said, people have been doing that with cable for a while, it'll be real interesting to see what clever stuff comes out to detect them in stream

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

Audio is stupidly easy to fingerprint and identify. It would be glorious if we used the very same dumbass technology to identify ad segments as they use to robo-copyright-claim creators for including a 11 second snippet of a radio ad that's period authentic to the historical media they're reviewing. Just take that shit and turn it right against them.

[-] psoul@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

I assume something similar to sponsor block, some algorithm to identify ad segments and some user feedback to confirm. Unless I’m mistaken as to how sponsor block works?

[-] Gormadt 18 points 1 month ago

Sponser block works via user input

People will watch the videos, report the segments that are sponser slots, and then when people watch the video they can upvote or downvote the accuracy of the report.

In stream ads would be a hard one to tackle because YouTube would likely inject them randomly into the stream to boost engagement (readas, prevent people skipping them easily).

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 6 points 1 month ago

if they were randomly placed, then couldnt you have a sponsor-block type system where instead of the ad segments being marked and skipped, information about the video is externally stored somewhere (like perhaps a really low res screenshot of the video every couple seconds, or some number generated algorithmically by a frame of video), and the results should be the same for all users for the actual video part, but if the ads are placed randomly, the ad section will suddenly not match the data other users had, prompting the video to skip until it matches again (with a buffer included if they remove the ability to move forward)

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[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

This is something that would be a surprisingly good use case for machine learning. Fingerprint the ads by watching ahead in the stream, then skip that section.

Actually, I think older algorithmic methods will work. I think that’s how TiVo worked. The annoying part is you’ll have to wait a bit at the start of the video.

[-] lohky@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

It'll require a new mother fucking video platform. We need to just collectively let YouTube die and move on.

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[-] BreadOven@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago
[-] trum_pam_pam@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Sadly, it's only for Android.

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[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 month ago

Peertube is holding the folded chair ready for action

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

I have serious doubt's but it seems to be the best option right now

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[-] purrtastic@lemmy.nz 15 points 1 month ago

This is just wrong. None of those will prevent server side ads.

[-] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 month ago
[-] Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

That's something like a cleaver, so it's got a blunt tip that looks like it's going through her blouse.

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[-] neonred@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I really hate that picture. Imagine swapping the man and tho woman. He and their two kids waiting, knifes ready, for the spouse to come back from work, ready for stabbing an unsuspect. Wow, what an outcry this would have.

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 month ago

bro it's a meme so whatever

[-] lseif@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 month ago

cry about it

[-] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 month ago

You really think there'd be an outcry? Rather than it just not being a popular meme format?

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[-] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

Until Google demanded from its vassal (Mozilla) the removal of support for extensions. Mozilla doesn't have enough resources to do without Google

[-] ThomasLadder_69@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

When did this happen?

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[-] h4lf8yte@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

I am not for ads but what is so difficult about adding them to the video stream. This should make adblockers useless since they can't differentiate between the video and the ad. I could just imagine it would be difficult to track the view time of the user and this could make the view useless since they can't prove it to the ad customer. I have no in depth knowledge about hls but as I know it's an index file with urls to small fragments of the streamed file. The index file could be regenerated with inserted ad parts and randomized times to make blocking specific video segments useless.

[-] Ghostbanjo1949@lemmy.mengsk.org 12 points 1 month ago

You would also have to make skipping to any point in the video impossible then as folks could just jump ahead until they are past the embedded ad.

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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Twitch already does this for their livestreams and has been doing it for years. I'm just surprised that YouTube has taken this long to get around to injecting advertisements into the video stream. Although I think if YouTube decided to try ad injection the adblocking community would fire back with something novel to thwart their efforts and the eternal arms race would continue.

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[-] EveningPancakes@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

I worked at a video ad server that offered a stream stitched solution going back to 2013. It comes down to development work/cost that the companies need to take on. Ultimately they would benefit from the cost required, but they wanted to be cheap and do a client side solution instead.

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[-] RigshawRick@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
[-] loutr@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

It works really well, I want to support them and donate but I'm afraid YouTube will find a way to block them like they did to others...

[-] sebsch@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

There is a whole topic in wasm called server side rendered DOM.

I hardly think there is a chance to block adds when they achieve it to render all the content on their side.

[-] bi_tux@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I don't like to say this, but:

AI

[-] reinei@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

But unless the page ends up as just a single canvas/image you'll still get all the HTML tags which can be stripped before your browser renders them?

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