Super optimistic title there lol
I'm with Cowbee. I don't see this happening outside of a few mom and pop places that decide to do it on their own until "government" forces the change. Just look at the 3 letter jackasses freaking out about WFH.
I was looking for fully remote jobs recently. All the local jobs are back to 3 days in office. One of the recruiters said something like "our employees are happy to go into the office three days a week" and my eyes nearly rolled out of my skull.
Proper read...
People who think this is happening haven't learned who owns them. A lot of learning to do.
Id rather kill Wednesday.
I'd be so disappointed by this.
Every time I take a day off midweek, it feels like doubling the number of weeks in the week, rather than reducing the number of days.
I've found it precisely the opposite: Monday is like a Thursday (so experientially two Thursdays and two Fridays) with a free day to schedule doctor's appointments, car fixes, and all the other little things you'd normally have to take PTO for but now do not
Wait, so you get a 4 day week but everyone else has to do 5 days so you can go to your appointments?
No. It's not like businesses that are open 7 days a week require all of their employees to work every one of those days
When I worked 32 hours at my first job I took out the Wednesday. It's a great rhythm to get into, two days of work and a day or two in between.
The 4 day work week likely won't be established as the standard until Socialism is achieved and the bourgeoisie overthrown, but when that happens it will depend on the job and sector, likely working with different shifts to maintain 24/7 production but with lower workload. Probably a move to a 30 hour work-week, like what PSL suggests.
Don't be so cynical!
The 4 day work week could be established under capitalism so it's easier to have two fulltime jobs. 💀
I hate that you're right...
Nah we'll move to a three day work week but America will require you to work a minimum of 48 hours to qualify as full time.
Neither. I'd remove Wednesdays.
Middle of the week off day lets you get all your errands done with little annoyance from or waiting behind the public, so you get everything knocked out and have your weekends 100% for you.
More importantly, on a 4 day workweek with Wed/Weekend off, you NEVER work more than two consecutive days. Ever. It's fantastic.
If everyone had Wednesday off you would need to contend with the public though.
Fuck that. Yeah it means you can stay out later Tuesday, but you can't do jack shit Wednesday knowing that Thursday is coming up. I'd rather have another Saturday than another Sunday if that makes sense.
Judging from the other comments it's not for everyone, but personally I love my Wednesdays off. For me it's mostly about dealing with accumulated fatigue due to a health condition though, and I definitely agree about the errands. When I have lots of medical appointments they're so easy to schedule lol
Alternating Mondays and Fridays. This gets you alternating two day weekends and 4 day weekends
This is a cool idea that I didn't consider.
I used to work a compressed week and started taking Monday but eventually it moved to Friday. When I took Monday off I felt like I had to pay for it with the next four days, when I took Friday it was like I was being rewarded with an early weekend.
Part of me thinks Wednesday. I wouldn't be surprised to see flex schedules more common in a 4 day work week world
Wednesday. Why work for 4 days straight when you could take a break in the middle
I also vote Monday. Seems to be easier to get back to work after a Monday holiday vs a Friday holiday.
realistically, if we move to a four-day world week it won't be the same four days for everyone
Crazy thought, but what if it differed by industry? Something like blue collar jobs get Monday off, white collar gets Friday off. That way office workers can for example more easily stay home to get their cable serviced and plumbers can more easily meet with a mortgage agent. Obviously because of overlap it's not perfect (office workers can't meet with mortgage agent, plumbers can't get their cable serviced), but there's a huge issue currently with people working 9-5 M-F being unable to access services that are also only available 9-5 M-F, so this would at least distribute things a little more. (This kind of thing already exists for some industries like restaurants, where W-Su workweeks are common)
I'm on board with the complementarity objective, but dividing society by collar color is a means for distributing things less. Time barriers reinforce worker segmentation by industry. Different rituals and religious traditions evolve on either side, and Romeo and Juliet are lost in their respective crowds. Convinced their problem is too much work, Four Day Workweek Jesus arrives to champion a revolution towards a three day week, and Four Day Workweek Satan points out that arranging and organizing other people's lives (for free!) has always been in support of the same capitalists that the bleeding heart Christians seem so upset about.
i will probably die of old age by the time we get a 4 day work week (im early 20s)
Wednesday. I've been doing that for years. It's nice because it feels relaxing and still part of the work week, so still productive.
I can usually swap it for a Monday or Friday with a week or so's notice, if I want to take a long weekend some time.
Also I get more public holidays than if I took Monday off.
Yeah, that’s what I want. 3 days off in a row is nice, but not having to work 3 days in a row sounds amazing
Friday only because Garfield would probably have to change to "I hate Tuesdays".
UK majority of the bank holidays are on a Monday, so Fridays would be nice as otherwise you'd lose them and what would become long weekends now.
UK we are seeing a very slow shift to 4 day weeks for more privileged jobs, I work with two people who both have Fridays off as it's an actual thing you can apply for at my employer.
While the Tories stopped councils from offering 4 day weeks to employees, it's got to be coming back, further spreading its availability.
I save up my vacation every year and take as many Wednesdays off as possible. I prefer the break in the middle of the week. It has done wonders for my mental health and my ability to get shit done while everyone else is busy.
It should be mandatory to stagger it by lottery. That way there's only ~20% of people off on the same day and you can enjoy your day more. I hate going out on weekends because of all of the extra people who are out. Being off on weekdays is great for the most part.
Wednesday
Can we do half-days? I would like to take Wednesday afternoon off as well as Friday afternoon. Longer weekend with a little break in the week.
Someone’s got a bad case of the Tuesdays.
You get your ass kicked for saying something like that.
If those 4 days also mean 12 hour days, than im not too sure if I'd want thay
I worked a couple 12 hour shifts before, and they left me even more miserably than work usually did
That's not usually what is meant by proponents of the 4 day work week. Instead, they're usually referring to four 8-hour days.
My bet is, it'll be Saturday that goes, finally achieving a 6-day work week.
I'm fighting for a 3-Day work week 20hrs and no more. It can be done.
"When"? Lol.
I appreciate your optimisim but at least in the USA, this is never happening.
It'll happen once the US Empire is overthrown and Socialism established, assuming World War 3 or Climate Change don't kill us all first. The US Empire is dying out.
There's a lot of optimism in this thread, so if I may imagine Sophie kicking the dust instead of choosing..
Assuming such a thing did happen it'd only happen for a subset of the population, which would then be divided such that one group gets Monday and the other gets Friday while service workers get two more nights of labor.
It makes no difference. With Mondays off, Tuesday becomes the new Monday. Fridays off means Thursday starts feeling like Friday.
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