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Dog Whistles (lemmy.world)

Full post here: https://www.tumblr.com/brightlotusmoon/727204642739617792

Posting this to make up for accidentally posting a dog whistle earlier. Oops

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[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 104 points 1 month ago

This may be controversial, but I think the way to combat dog whistles like this is to overuse them and muddy the waters. Make it so the Nazi's aren sure whether the "pattern noticer" they are interacting with are antisemitic or not.

ISIS went from being an Egyptian goddess and a great band to a poorly translated acronym for a terrorist organization because everyone let the terrorists win on that one. The swastika has been a neat and simple symbol used by a variety of cultures with a variety of meanings ranging from positive to neutral until it was taken by the Nazi's. 88 is a really neat looking number that's done nothing wrong.

Society keeps on ceding cultural ground to assholes and the rest of us have to tiptoe through every piece of communication in fear of being associated with them.

What's next? How long until some fascists start to use the "cool s" that we all doodled in our notebooks in school? Are we going to have to stop using any numbers with less than 3 digits? Will Allah, Jupiter, and Thor join Isis as symbols of fear?

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 month ago

I've got so much respect for people who fight the good fight and continue posting Pepe in 2024.

[-] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But, the whole point is to have the waters muddied. That's why it's called a dog whistle, because only the dogs (the intended audience) will hear the whistle (recognize the true intent behind the phrase).

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

So fight mud with mud and make it harder to recognize the true intent.

Or better yet, make it so that the symbols are just way more commonly associated with non-asshole meanings.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

It's like the ok sign. It's only a dog whistle when combined with other things. Mudding the water doesn't work when there's layers unless you muddy the layers. But then they just add a layer

Better to let them use it and out themselves

[-] ReadyUser31@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Great points. Here is the original post:

[-] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 33 points 1 month ago

I honestly interpreted this as a socially awkward way of trying to do small talk - for example talking about weather

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Me, too. But I definitely know about the dogwhistle when they phrase it as "stop noticing things." Subtlety makes it an effective dogwhistle. They will steal vocabulary and concepts from anywhere to spread their bigotry and hatred.

[-] Droechai@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

Reclaim the fuckin runes! They look cool, are easy to carve in different materials and are a part of my historical heritage

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As someone who has read primary sources on actual Norse/Germanic/Rus/Whatever religious rites:

Lol no, let the Nazis have it, that shit was fucked and the revisionism is always either a cover for white supremacy or some hipster idiots that can't admit God is dead.

If you're just interested in the alphabet just make a new, even cooler one... Your grandkid's heritage starts with you.

[-] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I like the idea of not yielding semantic authority to fascists. Like here in Germany, I've seen (minor) shitstorms over the phrase "to each their own" ("Jedem das Seine") because the Nazis put that on the gate of Buchenwald concentration camp. But the principle of "suum cuique" goes way back to ancient times and is a central tenet of our legal system. So why should we let Nazis dictate what the words we use mean?

That said, they coined a whole bunch of expressions that are rightfully frowned upon to this day and I have no issue with that kind of criticism. I've never felt the need to label anyone's relationship as "racial shame," for instance.

Just my two cents.

[-] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

It reminds me of this old man named Adolf, who when asked why he didn't change his name after WW2, he said "I'm not going to let an asshole with a stupid mustache take away my name"

[-] mEEGal@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago
[-] Dave2 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Look at the full post, it is about the alt-right conspiracy of Jews running the world. Also has other racist stuff too.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago

It was a joke. Like, it's turtles all the way down.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 15 points 1 month ago

All is dog whistle. Especially patterns.

Patterns are a government psyop.

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Or you could actually read the post

[-] TherapyGary 8 points 1 month ago

Oof, I thought it was a joke about psychosis and immediately shared it with my BP1 peeps

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That actually might be exactly what we should do, just try to reinterpret this before it gets off the ground and make all their attempts to dogwhistle to their fellow shitheads come off like they're just calling themselves paranoid schizophrenics

And, like, for what it's worth, "Is bigotry a mental illness?" is a question that's gotten some academic debate. The professional consensus is still "no," but it honestly makes a lot of sense to me to think of bigotry as a form of delusional and compulsive thinking (although I don't want to minimize the evil of racism or demonize mentally ill people, so like I'm still thinking over that one).

[-] TherapyGary 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Idk, I've had three clients diagnosed with schizophrenia and, while one was fairly racist, the other 2 were rad as hell, and I don't think the bigotry had anything to do with the racist one's mental health- just culture.

In fact, I think bigotry is a pretty normal human thing to experience. Psychotic symptoms (and poor mental health in general) can certainly lead to and exacerbate bigotry, but I don't think pathologizing bigotry itself makes much sense. I mean yeah if someone is experiencing bigoted delusions/obsessions/compulsions/etc then we should call that what it is, but bigotry itself is typically better explained by culture and natural human behavior

Edit: but I do like the idea of coopting it. I think it would be hilarious to respond to someone using it as a dog whistle with something like "haha I'm [autistic/ADHD/BP/etc] too." I think that would really rustle their jimmies

[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago

My mom has this belief that there is a high comedy in taking two unrelated things and putting them into the same sentence.

Shitty example: "She Ichabod my Crane until I jack-o'-lantern"

The humor of the sentence comes from the person who is listening to you attempting to connect the two parts, and you getting to watch them draw the line.

This happens because people notice patterns and in a conversation it is the listener's job to understand what the speaker is saying.

And this is well and good for the most part but because we have that tendency it's easy to make horrible mistakes that we have a very difficult time disbelieving because we came to the conclusions ourselves.

Best case you end up like the no soap radio joke. Worst case, you end up in some sort of like weird Armageddon apocalypse right-wing conspiracy nut group talking about your weird imaginations with other people who also do not have a reality filter on their own imaginations.

[-] match@pawb.social 4 points 1 month ago

is the okay sign still a good whistle

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I feel like if/when the shit hits the fan, I’m going to be so lost with who’s who and what’s what. I mean, I already am; I never would have considered any of that (except the blatantly obvious).

[-] Lurkinney@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

One third of impossible is 3 letters and a third of a letter

[-] lol_idk@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
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