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submitted 1 year ago by jeena@jemmy.jeena.net to c/firefox@lemmy.ml

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/3376057

I held off on Windows 10 for as long as I could until my job required it. Now this nonsense. I hope this isn't the start of them joining on the web DRM bandwagon.

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[-] frippa@lemmy.ml 126 points 1 year ago

Fuck Adobe, not supporting Linux, and now not even supporting Firefox, the once most used browser? Whoever pirates their crappy software deserves a statue.

[-] yoz@aussie.zone 44 points 1 year ago

Use pirated adobe #noshame

[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

since flash died I'm happy that I don't even know what adobe does anymore.

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[-] frippa@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Normalize using pirated proprietary software for professional work😉

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[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 124 points 1 year ago

"Whoa there!"

Go fuck yourself with that fellow kids corporate speak. That pisses me off so much, way more than it probably should.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 1 year ago

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Absolutely disgusting.

[-] onlooker@lemmy.ml 80 points 1 year ago

Any software company that uses monthly subscriptions as their business model can fuck right off. Let us own what we buy.

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[-] finder@sopuli.xyz 66 points 1 year ago

Are we surprised that Adobe is doing this? Adobe is exactly who I would've suspected adapting this bullshit immediately.

[-] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 65 points 1 year ago

This is the main issue with that web DRM "security" shit that Google is trying to push. They have such a great market share now that big websites can now afford to put a check "only for Chrome" losing a very small percentage of users

[-] thelemonalex@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago
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[-] eruchitanda@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

As another comment suggests, try to change your user-agent. Chameleon is great.

[-] traveler01@lemdro.id 55 points 1 year ago

I switched completely to Affinity Serif design suite and never looked back. One time purchase with free updates, much better.

You could switch to GIMP + InkScape, but I tried it as well and wasn't enough for my usage. Huge learning curve and a lot of missing features.

[-] matengor@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I tried Gimp for a longer time, too, but I could not get used to the complicated layer management, missing layer effects & layer adjustment features. I will try out Affinity.

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[-] balls_expert 50 points 1 year ago

Get a user agent switcher extension

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[-] valkyre09@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

Not supporting Firefox is WAY down the list of crimes Adobe has committed against their customers. I’m not all surprised by this post

[-] BillTheTailor@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago

There isn't anything that Adobe charges money for that you can't find an open source alternative.

[-] herrwoland@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

No real replacement for After Effects unless if you want to juggle between 5 programs and then lose clients because they can't open your project files

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[-] navitux@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

I will recommend GIMP or Krita usage even more

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[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago
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[-] scottmeme@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago

Try a user agent changer

[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago

Are you kidding - they basically invented the problem. They were one of the first to move to the "rent your software" model way back when

[-] prairiegrotto@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

This is also the company that charges you to cancel your membership. Like, 60 bucks or something, sometimes more, to stop using their product. Horrible company. Bloatware, laggy software anyways.

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[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

"I held off on Windows 10 for as long as I could until my job required it."

Good, users like you are the reason ransomware happens. Fucking update your shit. Windows 7 isn't secure anymore.

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[-] tooLikeTheNope@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

Adobe, a company which developed nothing but just bought off 3rd party software by acquiring the actual developing company, and stitched everything together somehow, like a Frankenstein's Creature, and finally sold it as a service.

Thank you, but no thank you.

Same applies for Autodesk.

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[-] dojan@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nah, honestly I get this. They likely don’t let you run it in Safari either.

The problem is that each browser use different rendering and JavaScript engines. They all follow the same spec, but implement things differently, and at a different pace. Firefox tends to be really speedy with adding features.

Rendering is one thing, but for web apps the main issue is how they each implement JavaScript differently. Chromium uses the V8 engine, Safari uses JavaScriptCore, and Firefox uses SpiderMonkey.

Each one of these implementations handle certain JS features differently. Array.prototype.sort is a good example.

This means that when developing your application you need to keep track of what differences each browser has, and write/use polyfills or conditionals to ensure that your methods work as expected on all platforms.

This becomes cumbersome quickly, and easily leads to a messy code base and technical debt as the application grows.

It further complicates testing since you’ll need to test each release on each browser.

The easy cop-out solution is to just support a single platform, and direct people not on that platform to use the browser you’ve developed for.

The go-to choice there is obviously Chrome, since it has the most users. Photoshop Express is a free application developed with the hopes of hooking people onto buying a subscription. Thus they’d want as big a reach as possible. It would make no sense to develop for Firefox and push people to use that instead from a business perspective, most people wouldn’t just download a second browser just to use an app.

Edit: you can obviously spoof your user agent and bypass the check that way. Some features might be broken in Firefox though, and I wouldn’t expect a fix.

[-] PreachHard@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

As a developer with 7+ years industry experience this is a very weak excuse to not support browsers.

Differences in features are usually down to bleeding edge stuff and I don't think your example of sort would apply because the end result is the same.

I know Adobe are more prone to using newer browser features but there really shouldn't be anything that's not simple enough to assure support across all browsers. Especially for a company as big as Adobe. It's inexcusable. We rarely have to use polyfills now, that was more a problem when I was starting out, mainly due to IE11 still holding out.

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[-] mashbooq@infosec.pub 26 points 1 year ago

I've refused to use Adobe for a while because of their bullshit. Their main product I care about is Lightroom, but Darktable is a perfectly fine replacement for it

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[-] concerningelf@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago

They're not part of the problem. They're the problem.

[-] lps@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago
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[-] nobeansplz@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have been removing Adobe from my life starting way back with Flash, long before it was discontinued. Then Acrobat and the final thing to go was when I switched to Affinity Photo and Designer and ditched Photoshop. It works every bit as well for me but I never was a Photoshop power user. For a long time the only company that showed up when I searched online to see if my email had been pwned was of course Adobe and that was over a decade ago.

[-] CombatWombat1212@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

As a web dev imma play devils advocate and say I get it. Cross browser support is hard sometimes and Firefox has some of the weirdest quirks.

That being said this isn't some hobby project its a multi billion dollar company so absolutely they could be doing better.

[-] MellowSnow@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

As a fellow web dev, I disagree! Cross browser support adds very little overhead in my experience, and not doing it in 2023 is really just lazy and unacceptable imo.

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[-] djsaskdja@endlesstalk.org 21 points 1 year ago

I’d seriously consider if your task can be accomplished with any other software. Personally I find LibreOffice Draw to be a perfectly adequate Adobe Acrobat Pro replacement for most situations. I know everyone has a different workflow though.

[-] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago

So, you can't use adobe with a widely-used and -accepted browser, you must use one of the notoriously unscrupulous and anti-privacy tech giants' browsers. Nothing worrying there! /s Also, more of "Bullshit As Usual" from adobe

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

Fuck Adobe. As an industry professional I have to use multiple offerings from them, and they have ALL gotten worse, rather than better. It all started going downhill when they started their bullshit subscription-only model.

[-] Phil_Tank@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

User Agent Switch

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