My personal favorite response to that question is “a person who covers their drink when you enter the room”
I’m stealing both of these.
Also trying to workshop::
Oh they don’t have them on your planet?
I like it, but that's like a 1960s sitcom tier insult. It's too cute to infuriate.
They have 1960s sitcom mentality. Wouldn't hurt to give it a try.
"Someone who chooses the bear over you."
I like "Well, I'm a straight male, so anything that turns me on is a woman, ma'am."
Name totally checks out.
Ooooh, that's so subtle and brilliant, they'll be destroyed for life! Added bonus is it zings for all the alphabet.
Seems like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
They're not honestly curiously asking anything.
They tried to do a gotcha. Badly. And got gotcha'ed for it.
One question can't be "sealioning". Sure they aren't curiously looking for an answer, but that's not what sealioning is. Click your own link.
I saw a further video of them doing this type of thing before.
No need to be a douchebag.
The ftm equivalent is "What is a man?" And the proper response is "A miserable little pile of secrets".
Alternative responses:
Are you coming on to me?”
I've actually used "I'm flattered, but I'm not into guys, sorry." and when immediately he got pissy and insisted he isn't gay and wasn't asking me out, "It's okay, you don't have to hide who you are, I'm simply not interested." and at that point my patience and certainty they wouldnt try to deck me were out the door, along with myself.
A musical theater performance was probably not the best place for the guy to be attempting to ragebait.
10/10 responses, I'd add in "If you have to ask, maybe you should get out more" which I guess is similar to "Makes sense you wouldn't know"
Your first option is best. Insulting comeback that isn't open-ended. It ends it so you can move on. The other options are asking for a response, including the OP one.
You could always go jeopardy style of "what is someone who doesn't want to sleep with you"
Is the answer not “A miserable little pile of secrets”?
Then men are no different.
Personally I think the "woke" definition of a woman (if there even is one) is much more straightforward than the alternative. This idea that the left "can't define a woman" is absurd projection - the very people who ask this question are the ones who can't define it without having to make 100s of exceptions.
yep "someone who identifies as a woman" doesn't need to have caveats. every biological argument has to have many.
What are three douchebags doing at the DNC? I’ve seen pics/vids of this idiot & the weirdo beard one w the costume Matt Walsh & then the undercover boss my pillow guy, also in costume. Ragebait, I assume?
Yes. But imagine the screaming if they hadn't been allowed in.
Okay. I imagined it. It gave me happiness. What next?
Language is an imperfect medium with inherent limitations, intended to convey thoughts from the mind of one person to another. Thus, context is critical. The tragedy of humans not being telepathic.
A large portion of this argument is between two factions trying to have a complex discussion regarding at least four different things using only two words; male and female. The discussion however expands to biology, stereotypes, gender norms, rights, etc.
To me, everyone arguing is a moron for trying to have a discussion without first agreeing on axioms and vocabulary. Male and female are not enough words for a discussion involving this many variables.
It's like, hey, please reconcile general relativity, quantum mechanics, and metaphysics using only X and Y. It just screams absurdity.
You might want to look at Wittgenstein.
In his early work he went hard on this approach, and insisted that "hey philosophy is dumb", just agree on the definitions and then chase through the implications.
In his later work he realised that this is impossible. Words have contextual meaning that is revealed by their usage and you can't nail down full and complete definitions in advance.
What you're talking about absolutely can and will never work. We have tried it and seen it fail.
The general point is that the "what is a woman" question is still word games rather than an honest attempt at finding truth and understanding
Yeah, let's spend the next 3 days hashing out all our vocabulary so we could have an argument...
I get the idea and I agree that people who won't come to the same understanding of words and concepts cannot have a discussion about a topic that uses those words and concepts. But if you think anyone is going to sit down and be "First we must get our axioms and vocabularies in sync" you're dreaming.
A practical approach is to assume people have roughly the same understanding of vocabulary so you could start the discussion. When discrepancies present themselves that's when you shift to finding a common understanding of axioms, concepts, words or whatever you want to call them. Morons are the people who refuse compromise on anything they believe in (including axioms and vocabulary).
It isn't for me to define, and there are more important things in life to focus on.
A "woman" is a label. It's a social construct.
As such, while you and I may have some idea of what we think a woman is, it's not really something that can be given a concrete definition the way these people seem to think it needs.
The meta of gender is simply the way we see eachother and not something that can be measured. It's felt.
It's a lot like trying to build a concrete definition for intelligence. What is intelligence? How can it be measured? IQ tests are one way, but they're pretty much universally regarded as inaccurate at best.
Whatever intelligence is, these rage baiters don't have it.
Here is the answer to that question:
Until recently, a woman was defined as someone who was born a biological female.
Now, as definitions change, a woman is defined as a person who identifies with the role of the previous definition of woman.
Language is descriptive, not prescriptive.
That's not what the definition has changed to. Women can be women without identifying with that traditional role. A woman is someone who identifies as a woman. I am a woman, and I certainly don't identify with the role of a traditional woman.
I’d quibble slightly and argue that there’s a strong case that gender is also performative so if society generally deems you a woman, you’re also a woman.
External perception should not be a qualifier of gender. Passing shouldn't be required for a trans person to be a member of their gender, much as a feminine presenting man is still a man and a masculine presenting woman is still a woman, unless they say otherwise. Because it's all made up anyways, we can allow the definition to be as flexible as gender itself is.
But yes, gender is often performative, but rather than defining that in the terms of the audience, define it in terms of the cast.
Reminds me of this https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/master-debater-both-guy
jordan petersons response, is literally perfect. "marry one and find out"
Unfortunately most of his braincells seem to no longer exist, but he has short second winds from time to time i suppose.
In my experience it's so they can listen to exactly nothing you say in response and then say "oh you've totally been brainwashed" before refuting points I never even came close to making.
"I'll take someone who wouldn't talk to you if they were trapped in an elevator with you for $500 Alex."
"Someone you've never had consensual sex with."
Also watch if someone asks you what theft is. (Stupid taxation is theft with no good faith in sight.)
It's not going to win any bad faith arguments, but then again not much does.
When a Conservative doesn't pay their fair share of tax and uses loopholes and malicious tactics to ensure they don't pay their fair share of taxes
The proper response to Charlie Kirk saying,'I'm married to a woman' is 'How long did the Koch's make her agree to it?'
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