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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 66 points 3 months ago

But a Republican tried to kill another Republican! And an old guy had a cold!

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

Yes it’s quite the collection of ultra-complex confusing and incomprehensible mysteries

[-] granolamalfunction@yiffit.net 6 points 3 months ago

Covid is way worse than a cold

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

He had a "cold" at the debate. He got Covid later.

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[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 35 points 3 months ago

boTh paRtIeS arE thE same!

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

Hmmm, the nice old guy or the nasty old guy, so hard to choose! If only there were some difference between them to help me decide.

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[-] mydude@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

Second vote should read "Democrats who let it happen". Source:

The first thing I'll do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdrOrwmk78Y

Im pro choice https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzdkAbu8dY

Not my highest priority https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RxiDZejZFjg

parody... No https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1z4uhxpOnN0

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 21 points 3 months ago

See they have to blame the Dems for shit the Republicans did because otherwise someone might ask who let the Republicans get into office to do it in the first place.

[-] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

The argument is like having someone who is punching you in the face point at someone else and say "he let me do it!"

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago
[-] mydude@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

I didn't criticize biden, I criticized obama, because obama/democrats had the house and senate (fillibuster proof) and still did not deliver codified roe, even though he specifically ran on it...

[-] bolexforsoup 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

In 2008 no one expected roe to be overturned, it wasn’t even remotely a thought. The promise of the Obama administration was healthcare reform, which they burned all their political capital on.

Additionally, the democrats never had their super majority because of the GOP challenging a senate seat/refusing to seat them and Al Franken’s subsequent departure.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

In 2008 no one expected roe to be overturned

Why would they craft a bill to protect against that possibility if no one expected it?

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

We thought we had time and could do other things like health care for sick kids.

We didn’t realize what enormous fucking dipshit assholes the republiQans were fine with being.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Were "we" asleep during all eight years of Bush?

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

War for oil, yes. That we expected. Crimes against humanity, sure. Making a woman’s body the property of the state, just right-out; not as much. And every confirmation hearing they’d ask: what about Roe? And they’d all sheepishly whisper yeah we know it’s settled law, etc.

Besides, if they did it - just out-and-out overturned fucking Roe v Wade can you imagine the shitstorm they’d face? Half the country would demand their heads on pikes!

. . . Waitaminit . . . Statue of Liberty . . . gasp! That was our planet!!

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[-] mydude@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Did you not watch the four videos I linked. He specifically talks about roe.

The healthcare plan came from Mitt Romney, so how they "burned all political capital" on that is gaslighting.

Google obama filibuster proof

[-] bolexforsoup 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No I did not watch 4 videos in their entirety just to respond to a comment.

Yes we all know it was Romney-care. The democrats still burned their capital on it. I’m not sure why that doesn’t work for you. It’s not like any of that stopped the GOP from campaigning on it for a decade.

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Actually yes. Just because he clears the incredibly low bar of being better than trump, doesn't mean he's actually good.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Green energy, EV investment, union empowerment, student debt forgiveness, marijuana rescheduling and pardons, infrastructure, drug price controls, Chips act, PACT act, etc etc etc. Non-competes banned (by FTC along 'party lines'). Pardoning people kicked out for being gay. Supporting Ukraine.

But you want to say he's not good. Fucking lol.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Increased drilling permits, massive tariffs on green energy technologies, being a critical part in creating the $1.7 trillion student loan debt problem, was one of the biggest "tough on crime" proponents who imprisoned many of those people, blocked the rail strike, and infrastructure and CHIPS bills have just been maintenance and throwing money at corporations and hoping they make things better. The credit for drug price controls goes to Bernie Sanders who has done more good as a senator than Biden has as a president.

Him giving a bit of relief to problems he created doesn't make him good. Him throwing money at corporations doesn't make him good. Biden has done some good things, but his achievements are overstated, inflated, and are far away from what would be considered good overall.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Ah so the "the entire world didn't turn on its head in 2 years1!!1 I demand literally everything changes in the 2 years1!" Sorry but people that talk like this have absolutely no idea how much there is to change. Like how much industry, and policies, and fucking everything there is to change. Tariffs sure, but I don't really blame politicians for wanting to make domestic industry. This is not a one and done issue, this is a massive industry that will be going forever (and even more as we see AI increasing electricity demands). And helping the student debt isn't enough, you demand a time machine to go back in time and fix it back then too! Ditto for crime, more time machine! Fucking lol, it's changed from wanting everything to change in 2 years to demanding a literal fucking time machine. Rail union https://youtu.be/EM6jMtG_MB8 Oh maintenance is not good enough anymore! That means Dems bad! Fucking lol. Helping grow domestic industry is now a bad thing, fucking lol. Another important and growing industry. Drug control prices is now not an act of congress! Fucking lol.

I can't fucking believe the mental gymnastics that you just went through to try to say Dems bad1!1!

And it's 2 years because that's how long he had the house of representatives.

Is this the conversation where I have to say how long Dems have had all 3 of the House of Reps, Senate, and Presidency? Because you need all 3 to do much of anything. Sure. Out of the last 24 years, Dems have had all of them for 4 years. The first 2 years of Obama, and the first 2 years of Biden. That's right, they've had control for 4 years out of the last 24 fucking years. And you wonder why progress is slow?

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Well, i mean, he is actually good

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 months ago

If you want to avoid another Trump term, yes.

[-] TeenieBopper@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

Democrats are never going to codify Roe. Want to know how I know? Because on June 25th 2022 they controlled the presidency, the senate, and the house and Roe still isn't codified. They'll never say it out loud, but the democratic party is happy Roe was overturned because now they get to use it as a fundraising issue forever.

[-] ToastedPlanet 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

June 25th 2022

Joe Manchin is a coal baron pretending to be a Democrat and Kristen Sinema was bought by corporate interests. So Republicans unofficially controlled the Senate. This same bullshit gets trotted out every election.

The Senate is stacked against Democrats because it favors low population states. On top of that, there is a filibuster rule that makes most things take 60 votes to get passed. To get anything done, senators have to get rid of the filibuster for whatever they are trying to do, which requires a majority.

Democrats would much rather run on having codifying Roe v Wade. But their party is controlled by and full of neo-liberals who cling to institutional norms to their own detriment. There is not a conspiracy, just minority rule baked into our democracy, and ineffectual and flawed neo-liberal ideology entrenched in the minds of Democrats. edit: typo

[-] TeenieBopper@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Manchin and Sinema are like schrodinger's democrats. They're not real democrats, but you better shut the fuck up and vote blue not matter who or some shit.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Democrats are never going to codify Roe. Want to know how I know? Because on June 25th 2022 they controlled the presidency, the senate, and the house and Roe still isn't codified.

Firstly, the former is not a function of the latter. So it’s not so much “you know” as “making up a reason”.

Secondly, passing a federal law is not like getting a Coke from the vending machine.

Thirdly, this is a common strawman argument to pretend Democrats deliberately don’t care about liberal causes and it’s bullshit. A right-wing talking point. “Clinton had people murdered y’know.” Like that.

Fourthly - yeah, what they said.

[-] TeenieBopper@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

Secondly, passing a federal law is not like getting a Coke from the vending machine.

No shit. Passing federal legislation is hard. But that's literally their job and why we elected them. "The democratic party not doing what we elected them to do when they have a majority in both chambers and the presidency." is not the winning argument you think it is.

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[-] aLiteral_potato@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What if the yanks had more than 2 parties, maybe it would be great. Before anyone says anything, yes i know that other parties can exist but they dont do really anything.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

What if the yanks had more than 2 parties

We're often lucky to have more than one party. States like Texas and Florida are so heavily gerrymandered that supermajorities for the prevailing party are practically assured. The Dems form a rump of opposition in these states, while Greens and Libertarians are barely an afterthought.

i know that other parties can exist but they dont do really anything.

Constituencies in Europe are significantly smaller and more regionally distinct. Hard to have a Scottish New Labor Party or a French Polynesia Party when our states are dominated by constituencies that moved in barely a generation ago. By all rights we should have a "Texas Party" and a "California Party". But its worth noting that the modern Texas GOP was built up practically brick-by-brick through George HW Bush and the Standard Oil company, originally based out in NY/NJ/CT. Dallas, Houston, and Austin are dominated by families of east coast Republicans who came spilling in during the 80s/90.

We should probably have a "Christian Democrats" party or a "Tea Party" properly, but the major religious and ideological leaders of the past were fully wedded to the existing post-WW2 partisan establishment. The closest we ever really had to a break-away party in the last half-century was the Jim Crow Segregationists under George Wallace. And that fell apart in the face of Nixon's Southern Strategy simply gobbling up all the Dixiecrats and turning them into modern day Republicans.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Technically we do, but only the Republicans and Democrats are ever given attention in the media so they're the only two parties most people know about before seeing the other options on the ballot. Add to that you get guys like Vermin Supreme as alternative choices, which if you don't know anything about them makes them look even crazier than the two big douchebags you do know about.

[-] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Not to mention that third parties CAN’T win with our current system except in extremely unusual circumstances. In order for viable third parties here we have to implement a different voting system like ranked-choice voting. A couple states have done this along with non-partisan redistricting but it’s not enough.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

What if the yanks had more than 2 parties, maybe it would be great. Before anyone says anything, yes i know that other parties can exist but they dont do really anything.

That's because the Electoral College says other parties, who will necessarily not get as many votes as the other two, will not get any electoral votes. Most states are winner-take-all. As far as Presidential elections go, that's why there's never a third party winner.

Locally, you're likely to find "Independent" candidates who run without financial support from one of the two flavors of political soda, and occasionally other political organizations as well. Locally (city government, school board, etc.) it's possible. But nationally no party has had the reach or interest from voters to overcome the hurdles to federal election. Many have tried.

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[-] LoveSausage@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Doesn't they currently have the power? Democrats have had tons of opportunities to make sure republicans could not remove them. Why do you think it will be different this time?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

A vocal minority of "pro-life" Dems were openly hostile to enshrining abortion rights into law under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2009. Then a handful of "pro-life" Dem Senators killed an attempt to codify the tenants of Roe v Wade into law in 2017. Finally, the current President has refused any effort to add more justices to the SCOTUS in order to marginalize the sitting Conservative Catholic Califate dominating the branch.

So, on at least three notable occasions, yes. Dems have run away from abortion rights as an issue, while winking at their constituents and whispering "We're the only ones who will protect you."

[-] specialseaweed@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago

No. Republicans control the House. Democrats cannot pass a bill without their support.

I don’t mean to be a jerk, but why don’t you know that?

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[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Democrats have had tons of opportunities to make sure republicans could not remove them.

No. It wasn't the legislature or the executive that removed those rights, it was the supreme court, stuffed with conservatives by the republicans.

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[-] PolydoreSmith@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Assuming we’re taking about the executive branch, they’ve had two years to work on a fix for the overturn of RvW and they’ve done what exactly? What is another four years going to accomplish?

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Make all the SCOTUS judges 4 years older and those senators that belive in the sanctity of the filibuster 4 years older.

[-] MarciaLynnDorsett@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

I thought comics were supposed to be funny or poignant.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

I mean maybe, but there's a long history of political comics going back centuries and I think it's a good fit for the Progressive Politics community.

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 months ago

You can probably add a couple 1,000 of years to how far political comics go back. Graffiti on town wall was a way to pass knowledge and express political opinions during ancient Rome. I'm assuming even before then, but we just have knowledge of it being done then.

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

want to return them

But won’t actually.

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[-] EnderWiggin@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Kamala Harris is also now the only candidate who won't be fucking 80 while in office.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Fascists painted red prefer to pretend that both are the same, because they don't actually give a fuck about any of the things they claim are important to them, except 'owning the libs'.

You know, not unlike the fascists using an elephant as their logo.

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