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B b b biden bad!1!
I didn't criticize biden, I criticized obama, because obama/democrats had the house and senate (fillibuster proof) and still did not deliver codified roe, even though he specifically ran on it...
In 2008 no one expected roe to be overturned, it wasn’t even remotely a thought. The promise of the Obama administration was healthcare reform, which they burned all their political capital on.
Additionally, the democrats never had their super majority because of the GOP challenging a senate seat/refusing to seat them and Al Franken’s subsequent departure.
Why would they craft a bill to protect against that possibility if no one expected it?
We thought we had time and could do other things like health care for sick kids.
We didn’t realize what enormous fucking dipshit assholes the republiQans were fine with being.
Were "we" asleep during all eight years of Bush?
War for oil, yes. That we expected. Crimes against humanity, sure. Making a woman’s body the property of the state, just right-out; not as much. And every confirmation hearing they’d ask: what about Roe? And they’d all sheepishly whisper yeah we know it’s settled law, etc.
Besides, if they did it - just out-and-out overturned fucking Roe v Wade can you imagine the shitstorm they’d face? Half the country would demand their heads on pikes!
. . . Waitaminit . . . Statue of Liberty . . . gasp! That was our planet!!
And "we" couldn't even do that. Just gave enormous subsidies to private insurance instead. Did nothing to control the price of medical care so that nowadays we have people dying because the price of insulin exploded (just one example). All because Democrats had to compromise with conservatives even with what should have been a fillibuster-proof majority.
Huge populations of people who couldn’t see doctors before, now could. And it was moving mountains to get that. Yeah, it was Romneycare, that’s what we could get at the end of the day. Want H4A? Me too. Let’s vote in overwhelming majorities then ride them until they deliver.
That’s why, when our precious progressiver-than-yous bitch about everything not being a literal paradise and therefore they can’t help progress I want to utter unspeakable unholy curses. It takes a lot of work. And it’s twice as hard when both the so-called-left and the right are against it.
Democrats had an overwhelming when they passed obamacare.it was conservative Democrats who refused to vote for single payer. If Democrats had fallen in line and voted with their party it would have passed without any Republican votes needed, but the Blue Dogs said "no".
Of course it's difficult. It's especially difficult when the party that claims to be progressive refuses to pass progressive policies when they have the opportunity to.
50%+1 is all that's required to overturn the filibuster. Pelosi chose to let the blue-dog democrats block single-payer because they were getting shittons of money from the insurance companies.
Why did progressives craft the Green New Deal if they knew it wasn’t going to ever pass?
Also it was in response to states passing restrictions. They were not worried about the Supreme Court overturning roe. Two different concerns .
In bargaining you initially overshoot so that you have room to negotiate down and you can still achieve at least some of what you want. The Freedom of Choice Act is a different situation where it's defending a right that already exists.
Did you not watch the four videos I linked. He specifically talks about roe.
The healthcare plan came from Mitt Romney, so how they "burned all political capital" on that is gaslighting.
Google obama filibuster proof
No I did not watch 4 videos in their entirety just to respond to a comment.
Yes we all know it was Romney-care. The democrats still burned their capital on it. I’m not sure why that doesn’t work for you. It’s not like any of that stopped the GOP from campaigning on it for a decade.
Yeah I'm just making a generalization because it sounds better than b b b Democrats bad!1! It really makes no difference, all you want to do is say b b b but Obama/Dems/Biden/etc baddd!1!
Don't memory-hole important parts of history, or you're bound to repeat it.
The fuck is that even supposed to mean. Well I get the gist, which is b b b but Dems/obama/biden bad1!1 Yeah, that's all you can do.
Actually yes. Just because he clears the incredibly low bar of being better than trump, doesn't mean he's actually good.
Green energy, EV investment, union empowerment, student debt forgiveness, marijuana rescheduling and pardons, infrastructure, drug price controls, Chips act, PACT act, etc etc etc. Non-competes banned (by FTC along 'party lines'). Pardoning people kicked out for being gay. Supporting Ukraine.
But you want to say he's not good. Fucking lol.
Increased drilling permits, massive tariffs on green energy technologies, being a critical part in creating the $1.7 trillion student loan debt problem, was one of the biggest "tough on crime" proponents who imprisoned many of those people, blocked the rail strike, and infrastructure and CHIPS bills have just been maintenance and throwing money at corporations and hoping they make things better. The credit for drug price controls goes to Bernie Sanders who has done more good as a senator than Biden has as a president.
Him giving a bit of relief to problems he created doesn't make him good. Him throwing money at corporations doesn't make him good. Biden has done some good things, but his achievements are overstated, inflated, and are far away from what would be considered good overall.
Ah so the "the entire world didn't turn on its head in 2 years1!!1 I demand literally everything changes in the 2 years1!" Sorry but people that talk like this have absolutely no idea how much there is to change. Like how much industry, and policies, and fucking everything there is to change. Tariffs sure, but I don't really blame politicians for wanting to make domestic industry. This is not a one and done issue, this is a massive industry that will be going forever (and even more as we see AI increasing electricity demands). And helping the student debt isn't enough, you demand a time machine to go back in time and fix it back then too! Ditto for crime, more time machine! Fucking lol, it's changed from wanting everything to change in 2 years to demanding a literal fucking time machine. Rail union https://youtu.be/EM6jMtG_MB8 Oh maintenance is not good enough anymore! That means Dems bad! Fucking lol. Helping grow domestic industry is now a bad thing, fucking lol. Another important and growing industry. Drug control prices is now not an act of congress! Fucking lol.
I can't fucking believe the mental gymnastics that you just went through to try to say Dems bad1!1!
And it's 2 years because that's how long he had the house of representatives.
Is this the conversation where I have to say how long Dems have had all 3 of the House of Reps, Senate, and Presidency? Because you need all 3 to do much of anything. Sure. Out of the last 24 years, Dems have had all of them for 4 years. The first 2 years of Obama, and the first 2 years of Biden. That's right, they've had control for 4 years out of the last 24 fucking years. And you wonder why progress is slow?
Throw in some more 1s to give your strawman more power
Having some fun, but they are not strawmans. Expecting/demanding that literally the entire world and everything in it turns on a dime is what this guy wants.
This is upper elementary school strawmans. I aint seen people using 1s and !s to try and make someone sound dumb since early 4chan.
Not strawmans, again he is literally demanding the entire world change end over end in 2 years. Are you/we going to play repeat now? Sounds like fun.
Yes, but other than that, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Well, i mean, he is actually good
If you want to avoid another Trump term, yes.