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Federal investigators are analyzing device’s content, although it is unclear how agency gained access

The FBI has gained access to the phone of the suspected gunman who opened fire on Donald Trump’s rally and is analyzing the device’s contents, the agency stated in a press release on Monday afternoon. The shooting, which killed one audience member and left Trump bleeding from one ear, is being investigated as an assassination attempt.

Authorities have been working to determine the motive behind the attack at Trump’s campaign rally on Saturday, but no clear picture has yet emerged. The gunman, identified as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks by the FBI, was shot and killed in the incident.

Federal investigators announced on Sunday that they had obtained Crooks’s cellphone, but had issues with bypassing its password protections to access the data within. FBI investigators then shipped the phone to a lab in Virginia, where agents successfully gained access, per the bureau’s press release.

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[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 88 points 3 months ago

Something sus about how quickly they can unlock phones when it's attempted murderer killed dead and murder victims killed dead.

[-] TeddE@lemmy.world 88 points 3 months ago

Cracking a phone is pretty doable. Cracking phones in a way that will hold up in a court trial, much more formal.

[-] Negligent_Embassy@links.hackliberty.org 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

look into celebrite

I think there's videos on youtube.

they can plug in most phones and have access to everything through an easy gui

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I would definitely not call Cellebrite an "easy GUI" and they definitely don't get into most devices. Ive seen devices take months to unlock, if ever.

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[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Cellebrite machines were used to copy contacts and messages and call logs from one phone to another, back in the day before Android and iPhone. There was little to no security on dumb phones back then... and you still needed the customer to put the PIN in and unlock their phone before using the Cellebrite. They came with a million different kinds of USB -> phone proprietary adapters, because mini and microUSB hadn't bee adopted yet as a standard.

Source: I used to do this sort of thing on a Cellebrite.

[-] SpacePirate@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 months ago

Most phones are locked with a four digit numerical PIN. The current technique is taking an image of the flash memory, and reflashing the memory after every few attempts.

It still takes a bit longer than straight brute force without a temporal lockout, but it’s still pretty trivial.

[-] Magister@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

15 years ago, yes, nowadays especially on iPhone this does not work at all

[-] SpacePirate@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It does when you have physical access to the RAM and storage, and a disassembly lab expressly configured for this purpose.

This is the backbone for a number of forensic services offered to law enforcement, and an entire cottage industry. I know with certainty it was still feasible as of the iPhone 12, which is well inside of 15 years. I don’t believe the architecture in the 13 or 14 has changed significantly to make this impossible.

With slightly earlier phones, tethered jailbreaks are often good enough, though law enforcement would more likely outsource to a firm leveraging Cellebrite or Axiom as the first step.

[-] OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

No, it doesn’t. This is what the Secure Enclave is for.

You’re not storing these counters in system memory. You’re sending attempts to an isolated chip.

[-] stetech@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes, it does, if they have full access to the disassembled hardware and assuming research time & resources they could do practically anything. Such as emulating the Secure Enclave chip with a “fraudulent” version, changing all firmware running on any semiconductors in the phone, isolating storage, I don’t know the details, but let your imagination loose.

Physical, uninterrupted access is unlikely, yet bad news for anyone’s threat model.

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[-] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

If it used face unlock, just have the dead body and prop the eyes open and you’re in?

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[-] JohnOliver@feddit.dk 8 points 3 months ago

Dude... my niece can unlock my phone while i sleep by putting my finger on the sensor.

I wouldn't be surprised if it would recognize my face while sleeping too

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[-] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 63 points 3 months ago
[-] Bruhh@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Asking the real questions here

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[-] card797@champserver.net 39 points 3 months ago

I wonder if they stuck his thumb on there. He is dead after all.

[-] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 19 points 3 months ago

I get the feeling I'm the only person who doesn't use fingerprint readers (due to this and just some bad experiences with them not working right in their earlier days on phones).

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

I also don't, but I'm also not planning on committing crime.

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 16 points 3 months ago

It says they had to send the phone to a lab in Virginia, so obviously not.

[-] piecat@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

So you cut off the thumb and ship it

Or make a casting

There's a million ways they could do it

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 months ago

Or you load the whole body into your passenger seat and drive it over there. Bonus points that this approach lets you use the carpool lane.

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago

Weekend at Crook's : one thumb up

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[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

Fuck, Fuck, FUCK!

Screams the agent as heating up a frozen finger with a lighter put it on fire.

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[-] absquatulate@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Walter:
You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me.

The Dude:
Yeah, but Walter...

Walter:
Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish.

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Anyone know what kind of phone they reported they cracked? This should bring fear to anyone who cares even a little about privacy.

Otherwise, it will become normal to question why you take a shit with the door closed (what are you hiding in there?) slippery slopes and what-not.

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago

There's devices sold to law enforcement that will allow them access to most phones by plugging them in. Believe it or not, Israel is the biggest exporter of exploits and hacks.

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 25 points 3 months ago

Unless you please provide sources, I don't fucking believe a word anyone says on the internet, and assume you are full of shit. Apologies if I sound rude, but I hate how people say shit like what you say and we all simply must take your word for it.

[-] Negligent_Embassy@links.hackliberty.org 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He's referring to cellebrite but others exist. It's 100% real.

look it up on youtube if you want

[-] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 25 points 3 months ago

Look Up NSO group for an example of an Israeli based company making their money with exploits. Their most famous product is Pegasus. It's a zero click remote trojan for iPhones and android devices. It's probably different from what was used here but I wouldn't be surprised if other technology in this sector comes from the same region.

[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 21 points 3 months ago

This was big news not that long ago. Pegasus spyware created by the Israeli NSO group.

They discover or buy zero day exploits and rather than telling the manufacturer about them they incorporate them into their software and sell to governments around the world

Pegasus was mainly about remote code execution but you can bet your bottom dollar they also have shit for opening phones in their posession

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

You sound rude cause you're trying to. There were plenty of ways to write that without sounding like a dick.

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

There's a fun podcast called darknet diaries that covers this kind of thing.

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It doesn’t matter. If a nation state is a wants access, they’re gaining access.

It’s probably an exploit from that Israeli cyber company that I forget the name of.

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[-] homura1650@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago

On the scale of privacy concerns, anything that starts with "they took physical possession of my device" ranks pretty low on my list.

[-] Redredme@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Any (western designed) phone. It doesn't matter. All your data belongs to us. Them.

[-] lonerangers1@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Bro,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellebrite

Makes them look incompetent to work so hard to get in

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[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 months ago

Investigators couldn’t get in with 1234, so they shipped it to their lab to try 5678

Wonder if this was one of the latest flagships or something older

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

I hate when that happens. Now they'll have to take it to one of those repair places.

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[-] QaspR@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Bro forgot to turn off his phone before they shot him.

[-] tacosplease@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

If he had fingerprint unlock it would be pretty easy to get in considering they have access to his fingers. Facial recognition... less successful in this case.

[-] ImADifferentBird 10 points 3 months ago

Most phones actually require pin/password on boot, and only let you use fingerprint/face unlock to unlock later in the session, as a security feature. So if he turned his phone off, even that wouldn't work.

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[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Crooks, who left behind no immediately available manifesto or record of the attack, unlike many other modern assassination plots or mass shootings. He was registered as a Republican voter and donated $15 to a Democratic-allied organization but did not maintain a large online presence.

Well this is thoroughly unhelpful.

[-] Numenor@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Someone with the same name made the donation. At this point, we do not know if it was the assassin who made the donation, or an 80 year old with the same name.

[-] MonkRome@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

IIRC the donation had his address on it, they do in fact know it was him.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Or GrandPa Crooks.

In any case, I’m still trying to figure out how closely-related the organization was. “Democrat allied” or whatever could be almost anything.

[-] evidences@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

The organization was ActBlue.

ActBlue Charities Inc. is an American political action committee and fundraising platform established for serving left-leaning and Democratic nonprofits and politicians.

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[-] Mountain_Mike_420@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

He donated money when he was 17. It was $15.

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