And here lies the problem. There are a ton of gun laws on the books already, but the enforcement of them is the problem. Adding more laws isn't going to change that.

Cry all you want big boy, the science is on the side of us non-brainwashed, rational people who understand the need for actual gun regulation in a civilised country.

I'm not the one crying, the 2nd isn't going anywhere, and neither are my firearms. More and more people on the left are arming themselves, and the gun control types are becoming a smaller and smaller group. The support you think you have is basically on echo chambers like reddit and here.

Too bad the US hardly qualifies to that group any more. Third world level literacy rates, so many homeless that human shit is an actual issue in supposedly civilised cities, and firearms as the leading cause of death for children. https://www.forbes.com/sites/darreonnadavis/2023/10/05/firearms-now-no-1-cause-of-death-for-us-children---while-drug-poisoning-enters-top-5/

First, I'm all for social programs, ending the war on drugs, mental health, single payer healthcare and increasing our funding to education.

Second, firearms is not the leading cause of death for children. It was during covid because of how many people weren't driving and how depressed people got from being stuck inside and not being able to socialize.

There's a literal mountai in the of evidence showing that all you need to do to start facing this problem is reasonable nation-wide gun regulation. Something everyone knows works and something that you won't find science against, because gun regulation being the answer is as clear to most people as is the fact that the Earth is round, not Flat.

Tell that to mexico or Brazil, you also forget that all the places you love to claim have lower gun violence are places with social support for their citizens.

But you will find Flat Earther crazies who won't believe in the science even when their own science proves that they are indeed wrong.

Not even in the same ballpark.

You're emotional. You get so angry when you're reminded that you go against science because you don't have the balls to actually use your own brain.

Lol yea... I'm the angry one here.

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Oh yeah no, it doesn't bear any rationale to this argument. It's just there because gun nuts always default to the "you're just afraid of my pew-pew sticks, that's why you support gun regulation". Nah. I love guns, they're fun. But you know what I care more about than loud bangs? That children don't have to live in fear of some incel fucktards charging into their school with a pimped out AR15 with a bumpstock.

The problem here is, you don't seem to care that kids die, just how they die. Most murders happen with handguns. In fact, murders with ar15s are so rare they're just included into all rifle deaths, because they're statistically pointless.

There's literally not a single peer reviewed study that concludes that less gun control is better, for anything.

That's not how the second amendment works, it's not there to reduce our violence. It's there to stop a tyrannical gov....one of which seems to be coming more and more everyday. Do you just ignore the shit that's coming out of trump and his ilks mouth?

But I'm sure the lack of science won't stop you, just like it doesn't stop Flat Earthers.

Statistics are what I look at. Which is why you thinking another bumpstock or AWB would do anything is hilarious.

You're really just here to prove my point about the willfull ignorance of nuts like you. So... thanks, I guess?

Yes I'm the nut.

Science isn't on your side. Science is pretty quiet on ethics and human rights.

We pay a cost for all of our rights. None of them are free or without a body count, even if only in opportunity cost.

What a stupid comparison. Guns have one purpose - destruction. You can talk about all the things you can do with guns, but their intended purpose and design is to destroy. The better they destroy shit, the more valuable they are. They're nothing without that.

Yep, no argument there, but that wasn't my point.

Pools and hot tubs are not that, and provide value to families and communities in other ways. Also, it's water. Literally water. And many areas have building codes surrounding pools and their safety. Mainly fences and safety covers. Homeowners insurance is also more expensive when you own a pool.

You do know how many laws there are on the books for firearms right? It's over 20k laws in state and federal gov.

Does that stop every child from drowning? No. Do we know how many times a child was saved because a pool was legally required to have a fence or safety cover? Also no.

What's the point of this? You don't know how many kids on average are stopped by a safer either.

Also, there is no one running around with pools or hot tubs in their pockets drowning children en masse.

Again, so it doesn't matter that 950 kids a year on average drown, because that's just the deaths you're willing to take to have access to a body of water right?

It's crazy that you should know a topic and be informed on it to discuss it? Really? You're literally talking like the anti-abortion/anti-contraception dicks who wave their bibles around. So yes, it's good to be informed on a topic.

What a silly thought.

No it is not, a 19/18 year old is A) not a child, and B) those numbers are from COVID as I have explained already. People couldn't drive, so that lowered the deaths which historically have been the number one thing, and suicides went up.

Once numbers for 2023/post COVID are released it'll be back to cars being the number one cause.

I'm not trying to argue with you.

It seemed that you were trying to make sense of the gun nut mindset. Gun nuts do indeed think firearm ownership is a fundamental human right, so considering it as such is necessary to understand their perspective.