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[-] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

The shooter was a convicted felon. What law do you suppose would've prevented this?

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago

One that would have prevented him from getting his hands on a firearm.

If he's a felon, he shouldn't have been able to possess a gun. Did someone sell him a gun? Did someone let him borrow their gun? Did he steal it from someone who didn't store it securely in a gun safe?

Write the laws so that the person responsible for the felon having a gun can be convicted of murder for the people killed with that gun. Make the liability for owning and selling guns so strict that you would have to be an idiot not to take every precaution to protect yourself from fault.

Because this won't stop unless something changes, and we can't just sit on our hands and pretend it was nobody's fault every time it happens. If we're going to make laws forbidding felons from owning guns, we better start treating anyone who enables felon to have a gun as accomplices in any crimes committed with the gun, without exception. No protections for guns stores or private sellers, just actual enforcement of laws prohibiting felons from possessing firearms.

[-] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

And here lies the problem. There are a ton of gun laws on the books already, but the enforcement of them is the problem. Adding more laws isn't going to change that.

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

I love it when people are like "the current set of laws is difficult to enforce, but adjusting the language of the law to make it more enforceable is NOT the answer", and then they just shrug it off like there's no solution.

Better laws do solve the issue. As I said, this man got his gun from somebody, and that somebody isn't suspect numero uno right now, so we need laws to change that.

If the law isn't serving us, the law ought to be changed.

Unless you have an alternative plan to offer, you're really just saying "do nothing", which you are welcome to do, but personally I would like to see less violence in the world.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Dude, the problem is that cops do not enforce gun laws against their fellow fascists. If you want better enforcement, the path is to fire ALL the cops, prosecute them, change the requirements for how they get hired, empower oversight boards, demilitarize their armories, and completely replace every single one.

Because until you reform the police, they don't care how many laws you pass.

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Oh wow man, great idea. Too many mass shootings? Just fire all the cops. Just like that, no more mass shootings.

ACAB, but if your first step in preventing mass shootings is police reform, you need to step the fuck out of the way and let the people actually interested in addressing the gun problem figure this out.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I'm not telling you the first step for preventing mass shootings. I'm saying if you want laws enforced against fascists, you'd be a fool to let fascists enforce the laws you write against them.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Maybe one that removes all guns entirely. Other than that, not much.

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