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submitted 4 months ago by Salix@sh.itjust.works to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

The Spanish government has a plan to prevent kids from watching porn online: Meet the porn passport.

Officially (and drily) called the Digital Wallet Beta (Cartera Digital Beta), the app Madrid unveiled on Monday would allow internet platforms to check whether a prospective smut-watcher is over 18. Porn-viewers will be asked to use the app to verify their age. Once verified, they'll receive 30 generated “porn credits” with a one-month validity granting them access to adult content. Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits.

You have to request more porn credits from the government if you need more? Don't want the government to be tracking this data of you. This is a privacy issue

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[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 181 points 4 months ago

Politicians keep trying to helicopter parent the entire populations of countries.

Making sure your kids don't go places online before they should, and have conversations with them about it once they reach an age where it happening is inevitable, is something every, single, parent, should do.

Not the fucking state.

And this has to be one the weirdest implementations of porn surveillance I've ever seen.

[-] RedStrawberry 95 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Exactly! Government granted 'porn credits' sounds absolutly insane as a serious idea...

Porn "Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits" is one wild sentence.

A porn "enthusiast", requesting the government for porn credits, to watch porn? What?

[-] Souyo@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

In my experience most parents are to lazy to keep up with setting appropriate restrictions for kids and like some parents, they expect someone else to raise and take care of their children.

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 58 points 4 months ago

Folks, this is not about the porn.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 23 points 4 months ago

So what? I've had the exact same experience.

It's not a reason for the state to overstep into ALL our lives. In fact, the state stepping in is giving such parents yet more excuses to put even less effort into shaping the adults that their children will become.

[-] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 119 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Wow good job Spain.

I guess this works because email doesn't exist.

I guess this works because file sharing applications and websites don't exist.

I guess this works because VPN's free and paid don't exist.

I guess this works because Tor, i2p, Freenet, and Yggdrasil don't exist.

I guess this works because torrenting doesn't exist.

I guess this works because black markets don't exist.

I guess this works because chat applications don't exist.

To be a fly on the wall of these government meetings where they talk about this shit would surely be the funniest fucking thing in the world.

[-] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 37 points 4 months ago

I want to be at the meeting a year from now where they realize only two people have ever signed up 'Yay we fixed porn!'

Buy who am I kidding they brought VPN shares before this was introduced

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[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 27 points 4 months ago

You are right, it's really stupid.

But it's also stupid not to consider, that it's not the real reason they made this in the first place.

They want to track you, and porn is the first excuse. If this is a success you might need this passport for alot of other things.

[-] pdxfed@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Thank you for contributing!

You've used the last of your political observation credits for the month. If you'd like to request more, please visit yourcountry.gov citizen portal and fill out the application. Your wait time will be 3-5 business days. We apologize for the wait but we are currently receiving a high volume of applications.

-govbot

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 74 points 4 months ago

On the plus side Spains teenagers are about to become extremely computer literate.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 71 points 4 months ago

So teens learn about Tor & VPNs. This stuff doesn't work. The higher you put the skills to get access, the more they will learn. Nothing motivates teens more than access to adult stuff. Maybe this is really a tech literacy policy.

[-] SoleInvictus 40 points 4 months ago

Learning to circumvent my parent's fumbling attempts to keep me off of early nineties bulletin board porn made me the man I am today.

[-] kworpy@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago

Yup, all you're doing is teaching them to cover their tracks

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 65 points 4 months ago

This government intrusion is brought to you by Surfshark.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 45 points 4 months ago

"Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits."

Well that's a relief. For a minute there, I was worried.

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 44 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They made this to send people from legal sites to illegal sites.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 41 points 4 months ago

This ensures traceability through the public key as content providers will consistently receive the same public key when the credential is presented

What a ridiculous system. For some reason I expected that their efforts to offer an illusion of privacy would be better than the obfuscatory bullshit they've leaned on here in order to enable "traceability."

I hope it goes down so badly in Spain that the rest of Europe is once and for all convinced that such schemes to restrict and monitor the web browsing habits of every citizen are ineffective for their stated purpose, needlessly invasive of privacy and freedom, destructive of democracy, and can serve only as a prelude to totalitarianism.

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[-] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 41 points 4 months ago

Government giving you porn credits sounds hilarious.

[-] brap@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

Porn passport = Wanking license

[-] EdyBolos@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

Also known as "pajaporte" in Spanish (paja = wank)

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Hmm. Driving porn viewers who value their privacy underground couldn't possibly have any negative consequences I can think of.

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Instead of educating kids, it's much easier to... not, and invade their privacy instead.

[-] Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 months ago

...invade everyone's privacy instead.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 30 points 4 months ago

Yo what the fuck guys can you not

[-] archchan@lemmy.ml 29 points 4 months ago

On behalf of teen me and adult me, fuck off

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[-] pdxfed@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

No one expects the Spanish Imposition.

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[-] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

How many here want to bet that VPN companies lobbied the Spanish Government for this?

[-] Emmie@lemm.ee 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

At least it will raise tech literacy among youth. If it isn’t as easy and would require some thinking that’s already better than 99% of homework.

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[-] nicerdicer@feddit.org 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

When you are out of porn credits before the end of the month, you can go to the good ol' simulator:

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 28 points 4 months ago

What the fuck is going on with these porn laws wtf

[-] uriel238 17 points 4 months ago

No one wants to tell the government they're watching porn, especially in a Catholic country like Spain.

It's intended to reduce porn use, often to fuel conservative hate-driven ideology movements. Sexually frustrated people are more eager to endorse violence against marginalized groups.

It's pure sociological manipulation.

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[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It will be fun for one unashamed porn addicted user to keep making so many requests to this service that they break it.

"Javier, it's been 30 minutes since your last credit application."

"MORE CREDITS. CAN'T TALK."

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 months ago

If your worst-case scenario for lax online identity is that kids might watch porn... I don't give a shit if kids watch porn.

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is a privacy issue but it's a much much much less of a privacy issue than what the EU wants to do with that mandatory internet ID thing. This Spanish concept shows that you don't need complete mass surveillance like other governments try to convince everyone in.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Spain is officially hoping that their system will serve as a model for the rest of Europe, and then the rest of the world, so that everyone can work together to enforce the rules. Otherwise their citizens might just evade it by, for example, going to web sites that are not in Spain.

That is why they give it such a grand name as "digital wallet." It's meant to become the basis for that European digital id you refer to, and used for much more than is happening with this initial trial balloon.

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[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

It's easier to just use a VPN and pretend to be from anywhere else...

[-] FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 months ago

I don't think porn is a good thing, but the fact that even if you're an adult with a pass you are limited is pretty bizarre. this is on top of the fact that you are already giving up your privacy to view it.

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Surely this will work.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 4 months ago

What gets me about this is that, while it would still be bad, they could have mostly avoided the privacy nightmare here with some kind of Zero Knowledge Proof scheme, but the tracking is obviously part of the point.

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[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 17 points 4 months ago

Iirc Spain is one of those countries that makes you install a cert to use some of their government services, which they can then use to MITM all your https connections

[-] potajito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 months ago

Yeah this is not true. First the cert is only used on some government sites, no mitm anywhere. Also if you don't like the cert there are other ways to authenticate yourself, for example using your Id on a electronic reader or normal auth with user name pass and 2fa.

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[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Wait....I want to be "Secretario de Pornabilidad Social" or "Secretary or Social Probability"

I imagine my self going through all the SSN... Sexual Super Numbers to manage access and report usage.

1335346755 watched 6 hours per day of mostly vanilla doggy.

2356544677 more doggie

More doggie.... doggie again. But every now and then.... 1257678965534 watched 72 consecutive hours of BDSM where the sub faces downward into a hole in the floor where a camera.....then the last does the same and the video cuts to another similar one. We must report this immediately to the right authority!

[-] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 13 points 4 months ago

And then when it doesn't work because of the laws of nature, they can block filesharing sites on account of porning kids up without requiring porn credits.

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