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[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 52 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Rail lives in that weird category like rural mail or power service (or, for that matter, highways) -- you need to provide it if you want your country to be a civilized place, but it's real real hard to make it available at a reasonable price and still turn a profit.

Turns out the answer was government, all along...

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

You didn't pave these roads!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago

Ayn Rand wrote a very silly book about how the government was interfering with railroads and how that was a terrible, terrible thing.

It's always a good day when something Ayn Rand suggested is once again shown to be utter nonsense.

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And one has to merely mention the Vandertunts to find another example of why the railroads should be public.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

It's certainly a far more entertaining watch than Atlas Shrugged is to read. It's just awful. I couldn't even get all the way through it, I ended up reading a summary.

But two things in it really made me laugh-

  1. That railroads would work better if the government had no involvement (good luck laying track without eminent domain).
  2. The solution to the world's problems involves violating the laws of physics.

And people take it seriously.

[-] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Government is better at X... because it can steal stuff. Yay for the government, I guess... :D

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

When it comes to rail? Yes. How do you propose putting in rail lines without eminent domain?

And we desperately need more rail in this country.

[-] DigitalNeighbor@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Germany has the same problems. After the reunification they merged the east and west state railway companies into a private enterprise, the Deutsche Bahn AG. Since then, the service progressively became worse and the prices unaffordable.

They engaged in a downward spiral of cutting infrastructure investments and reducing coverage/offer and having less private travellers. Now the infrastructure is such a bad state, that the bad quality of the service is a running gag in Germany. Voyagers now expect their train being late and hope that it will not be cancelled last minute.

In the last couple of years, there has been a push to invested in the infrastructure, but it's too little too late and it's going to take decades to make the train an attractive option again.

One of the reason why they are still getting by financially, is because the have very good marketing.

Here's a good video about it. It's in German, but you can get the English auto-translation.

[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

As an American living in NRW, German trains are a well oiled machine compared to their US counterparts. Our trains constantly derail, catch fire, break down etc. I love having S-bahn, U-bahn, and RE compared to the underfunded death traps that are Amtrack, and major city subway systems. It sucks occasionally but I don't fear for my life on a German train

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 6 months ago

New report argues for obviously needed change that probably isn't going to happen.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Correct opinion is correct

[-] aaaaace 6 points 6 months ago

We need National Trackage Rights in the USA.

They had no problem deregulating trucking si that any company can serve any customer, let railroads do the same, i.e. Union Pacific can serve BNSF or NS customers.

And large customers, esp hazmat shippers, can run their own trains. The environmental disaster in East Palestine, Ohio likely woukd not have happened if those chemicals were self-shipped.

Railroads used to have to run their iwn passenger trains, govt formed Amtrak to take the burden off them. We could give successor railroad companies that burden back.

[-] bluGill@kbin.run 6 points 6 months ago

Only if rail has to compete with 'free' public roads. Private rail had a long history before cars. They were not always loved, but they worked.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 6 months ago

That's certainly the case in the UK.

What's the point in competition if they don't actually compete?

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

There is nothing to argue about, that opinion is spot-on.

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