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A solid majority of Americans say Supreme Court justices are more likely to be guided by their own ideology rather than serving as neutral arbiters of government authority, a new poll finds, as the high court is poised to rule on major cases involving former President Donald Trump and other divisive issues.

The survey from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that 7 in 10 Americans think the high court’s justices are more influenced by ideology, while only about 3 in 10 U.S. adults think the justices are more likely to provide an independent check on other branches of government by being fair and impartial.

The poll reflects the continued erosion of confidence in the Supreme Court, which enjoyed broader trust as recently as a decade ago. It underscores the challenge faced by the nine justices — six appointed by Republican presidents and three by Democrats — of being seen as something other than just another element of Washington’s hyper-partisanship.

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[-] stembolts@programming.dev 128 points 4 months ago

7/10 Americans are aware / woke.

The owners, "Stop being aware, go back to being a cog in the machine. Stop reading the founders intent that we can overthrow them. That's against the law and the law is what we will use to enforce our ideologies upon you."

The "war against woke" is a war against awareness.

[-] clearedtoland@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago

I would say it’s a war against knowledge and critical thinking. Those two things threaten their control and reasoning. Why else fear books or competing ideologies?

It’s one thing for the deer to see headlights coming at it. It’s another for it to know what it means and what it should do.

[-] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I think that is what stembolts is saying. Awareness is borne from knowledge and critical thinking.

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[-] bamfic@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Too bad the system is designed by the founders so that 70% of the people are guaranteed in perpetuity to always have less than 50% of the power, and thus never get what they want.

This was done to keep slavery in place.

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[-] Ranvier@lemmy.world 64 points 4 months ago

Is bribery and corruption an ideology?

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yes. It's called Cronyism.

[-] Ranvier@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Then put me in with the 7 out of 10 Americans.

[-] dactylotheca@suppo.fi 9 points 4 months ago

It's called Cronyism.

Funny way to spell "conservatism"

[-] cmoney@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Have you seen the interest rates on motorhomes nowadays?

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 63 points 4 months ago

Alternate headline: 3/10 Americans are living in fantasy land.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

I would suggest 3/10 share their extremists ideology. (Well, the ideology of the majority,)

“Warriors are fine. Nerf warlocks.” -Me, a mage in Vanilla WoW.

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[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 56 points 4 months ago

Non-politicized decisions are wacky, the Sackler decision had Gorsuch and Jackson in the majority and Kavanaugh and Sotomayor in the minority.

"Coincidentally," the abortion and gun rulings are all exactly the same 6-3 teams based on who appointed them.

It's pretty much settled fact that this Supreme Court puts ideology over impartiality.

[-] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

They definitely do on the most important issues, however they continue to be impartial on the issues that don't hit mainstream media (Fox Business Network)

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

The Sackler decision makes a lot more sense when you see it as the court disagreeing with how to protect the wealthy elite from future cases. Either the novel method here, being allowed to make an agreement that forecloses any future problems; or the traditional method of burying the other side in lawyers until you die.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 43 points 4 months ago

3 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices agree!

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 33 points 4 months ago

3 out of 10 Americans are lying 🤣

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 21 points 4 months ago

3 out of 10 believe impartiality means agreeing with their ideology.

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[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Ideology of “I get mine, you get shit”. Ideology of “I get what I want because I’m on this bench”. Ideology of “what can you do for me?”.

Illegitimate court. Every single ruling by them should be overturned and every citizen should ignore them.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago
[-] Qwazpoi@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Maybe they believe that the supreme court is more influenced by money than ideology?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago
[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago

It's because Republicans are skewing the numbers. 84% of Democrats and 73% of Independents understand the Supreme Court is a joke.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 4 points 4 months ago

I bet a chunk of those republicans are mad that the court is "too liberal"

Republicans are the worst

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Happy cake day, FlyingSquid.

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[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Go read the Heritage Foundation's founding documents. Literally says in black and white that the way to shift the landscape in your favor is by getting your people on the SC.

[-] blazera@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Theres no such thing as an impartial person.

[-] Veraxus@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I like pineapple on my pizza. Therefore, I rule that everyone else must always eat pineapple on their pizza. The Constitution doesn't say anything about pizza, so this is totally okay and exactly what the "Founders" wanted.

This is not, and never was, merely an issue of "being an impartial person"... but believing that you can and should be able to force your own partial views onto others - sometimes under threat of state violence - even when those views directly contradict the obvious letter and intent of our Constitution.

"Ideology over impartiality" means "they rule by fiat, rather than by any principle of justice."

[-] blazera@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Its not believing they can, they just can.

[-] SoleInvictus 14 points 4 months ago

This is true. It can be strived for, though, and there are strategies to overcome bias, increase impartiality, and identify bias in others. If the United States supreme court (and really its legal system too) had any integrity, it would champion doing so.

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[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

The difference is at least some of us recognize our bias and work to mitigate its effects while the rest of us don't even know there's supposed to be a difference.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

9/9 supreme court justices think you are a worthless little bitch and you can't do shit to stop them.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago

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[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Nobody is trying to say both sides are the same. I am saying the supreme court is not working for us and they know they can get away with it.

[-] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

You said all 9 justices thoughts are the same on citizens. I feel this isn't true compared to how they vote, but maybe you have inside information.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That's not at all what they're saying, IHeartCheese is saying you, the citizen, don't have power over the SCOTUS.

But you'd be right as in both sides are ideological, how else do you think they decide which interpretation to use if not by ideology?

Or are you one of those libs who doesn't think they have ideology?

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[-] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago

The other three aren't paying attention.

[-] WanakaTree@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago

I'm curious how many of those 7/10 think it's a good thing

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

pretty sure 3 out 10 americans believe they've met a demon or space alien

[-] ef9357@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 months ago

I don’t think it. I KNOW it.

[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

The other three are bootlicking republicans

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[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

But how many of them think that's a bad thing?

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Democracy requires its 3 pillars - the Judicial, the Press and the Political - to be independent.

In the US all three are tied, some even Constitutionally.

It's thus not surprised that the country only ever got close to being governed for the Many rather than the Few at times when other Civil Society movements (such as Unions) were strong and healthy. Certainly that's not the case nowadays, not even close.

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

No idea why they'd think that...

 

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

For anyone interested in the changes in the Court here's a video of two of the former justices explaining the different perspectives between living constitutionalism and originalism. Right now there's a shift from one to the other. Just like there was a shift around the 50s.

https://youtu.be/jmv5Tz7w5pk

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