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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 246 points 5 months ago

If only we had the technology to open doors without power. One day, perhaps.

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 121 points 5 months ago

But how do you integrate a subscription fee into analog doors? You can‘t enshitify that!!

[-] Toes@ani.social 28 points 5 months ago

Oh that's easy, just make it a one time release switch. You gotta replace the ~~door~~ battery after using it.

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[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 37 points 5 months ago

The fact a car was approved that doesn't have a manual way to open doors from inside and outside and start it is ludicrous. That's basic-ass level shit. NHTSA is asleep at the wheel.

[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 22 points 5 months ago

Other comment says there is a way from inside, just not outside (which doesn't help with a young kid/toddler/baby is the inside passenger of course).

Either way, glad this is "only" a huge embarrassment, and not a dead kid.

[-] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 34 points 5 months ago

Or the foresight to have a small backup battery unit used exclusively for emergencies like say when the battery goes out or when someone reverses their car into a lake. The fact these are such death traps shows just how bad the US is when it comes to giving a flying fuck about people over money.

And all the while Elon is touted as some kind of super Lex Lutherian genius.

Honestly if I wrote a fictional book with some of the shit he's done and how the world looks at him publishers would throw it back in my face as being the most unbelievable POS they've read in the past 20 years.

[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago

I still dont like something that is electric powered making it so you cant get through a door. If there is a short, the battery dies (which it will someday) or generally bad parts could potentially lead to a preventable death. Cars were made so keys (or key like) can open the door no matter what. And especially in the heat everyone is going through in the US.

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 146 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The car’s owner, Renee Sanchez, was taking her granddaughter to the zoo, but after loading the child in the Model Y, she closed the door and wasn’t able to open it again. “My phone key wouldn’t open it,” Sanchez said in an interview with Arizona’s Family. “My car key wouldn’t open it.” She called emergency services, and firefighters were dispatched to help.

Just so nobody thinks someone left a kid in the car and then went into a store or something. Tesla should be paying for the broken window repair at the very least.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 54 points 5 months ago

Also, this is similar to a use case that Telsa likes to promote. They allow you to leave the climate on while the car is locked.

This makes me never want to trust the dog and camp modes they advertise.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 38 points 5 months ago

In this specific example, I believe the driver buckled the child, closed the door, then was unable to open any door before starting the vehicle. Is it possible to either start the vehicle or at least turn on the climate control from outside? If not, this was a horribly dangerous situation.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago

Yeah, this wasn’t even intentional. The car just shit out while she was getting the car situated. Very scary.

[-] DBNinja@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago

Not without the 12V. I'm pretty sure most of the internal electronics are dependent on that working. There's an access port so you can "jump" the 12V with another car, which I think would then allow you to open the door though.

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[-] uriel238 93 points 5 months ago

Whenever essential functions (e.g. access) are powered, they're supposed to have manual overrides. I'm pretty sure this is a regulatory requirement even here in the States where we're stupid and regulatory agencies are mostly captured.

So WTF happened, Tesla? Where's the manual override for when the battery fails?

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 23 points 5 months ago
[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 39 points 5 months ago

That's for if you're inside, a mechanical access has to exist on the outside as well, no?

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 46 points 5 months ago

No. You just need to be able to exit without power. Getting back in mechanically isn't a requirement.

It should be, but it's not.

[-] piecat@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

Damn, even fighter jets have an external override. They're even labeled for rescue workers.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago

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[-] Xtallll 22 points 5 months ago

Those are inside the car, doesn't help if there's a toddler stuck in the car.

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[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 86 points 5 months ago

I had something similar happen to me years ago in a Toyota minivan. The car stalled and died in traffic, some kind of electrical glitch. I got out to raise the hood. The door closed behind me and it came up with just enough battery to lock itself, with my keys in the ignition and my two babies and quadriplegic husband inside. It was 107° outside. And pre-cellphones. I bolted to the nearby gas station to call 911 and grab something to break a window. Meanwhile hubby tried to coach toddler how to wriggle out of car seat and open door, but straps were too snug. Firehouse was near, and the jammed traffic was all in one direction so they used the opposite side and didn't take long, and they jimmied the door open quickly. But it was boiling in there. Sat the kids by the road to cool off with water and get checked by paramedics, gave water to husband in car with open doors, and waited for a tow to the gas station so I could lower the ramp and get my husband out. Meanwhile of course we made the traffic even worse, but people weren't too mad when they saw our plight as they squeezed past.

I'm wondering, did some similar glitch happen here, or do Tesla doors lock every time they shut?

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago

Might be the doors are fail shut if anything happens... But that seems like the worst design ever.

Come to think of it, it's basic design to designate features as fail closed/fail open on loss of power in an emergency, and you go with what's inherently safe. It appears Tesla did not consider basic safety design. To no one's surprise.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago

You're assuming they didn't consider it, vs having considered it and thought that its more important to protect property than peoples' lives. Again, to no one's surprise.

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[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 22 points 5 months ago

I'm glad that had a happy ending and sorry that happen. Autolock is so dangerous.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 83 points 5 months ago

Failsafe.

Fail Safe.

Fail Open.

Elon is why we need to write safety regulations. He's the kind of guy who would put sawdust in your food and call it innovation.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Agree on your overall sentiment, though I'd say it is a bit more complicated than that for car doors. You don't want it to fail and come open while moving, for example, especially if the car is coming to a stop and inertia forces the doors fully open. That Boeing door failed open and it was not very safe.

Vehicle doors should be fail functional rather than open to fail safe. As in designed to be very unlikely to fail and/or still functional even if one or several components do fail.

Edit: I normally avoid commenting on my downvotes (you win some, you lose some) but this one is baffling. What's controversial or unpopular about what I said?

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[-] Buttons@programming.dev 73 points 5 months ago

There was a time I wanted a Tesla, but I don't anymore. This is just another reason why.

Does Tesla care about making a "neat thing" or do they care about making "a car that can drive me places". The doors clearly show they prioritize making a "neat thing", but I want a reliable car.

Opening and closing doors was a solved problem. Somehow Tesla made it worse.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 months ago

Does Tesla care about making a "neat thing" or do they care about making "a car that can drive me places"

Neither. Care about making money.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

One thing about Musk, I think he does care more about making a thing. Money is involved; but mostly because it's necessary to make the thing.

It's just that the things he wants to make are increasingly stupid and childish.

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[-] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The fucking DOORS require a charged battery? Fuck that. That decision will age great in the next ten years. Not to mention emergency situations where the electrical system is compromised.

[-] laurelraven 27 points 5 months ago

It's worse than that: it requires the old school lead acid 12v battery to be charged, so even if the car's battery is full, it doesn't matter if that old car battery has failed

That's not unique to Tesla EVs, but it being required to open the doors may be (the 12v lead acid runs the general vehicle electronics rather than down converting the 400v or 800v main battery... I don't understand that decision, but I'm no electronics expert so there may be really good reasons for it...)

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[-] obinice@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago

Why not just open the door with the key like every car ever

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[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago

Now imagine this happens in a remote area with no cell coverage. In Arizona those are a thing too.

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

I assume Arizona has rocks and bricks and stuff lying around somewhere

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[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

what happens when a car catches fire because the electrical system is on fire and you can't Open the door because it's electric

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[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

There should really be a law, requiring a certain list of mechanical things to exist on the car. So far, it's only the emergency turn signals, and what, the mirrors? The door handles absolutely need to be on that list

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[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

A lot of people are giving Tesla shit here, but surely there should be regulations in place to ensure something like this isn't allowed to be released for public use?

[-] CafecitoHippo@lemm.ee 21 points 5 months ago

Sure you'd think you wouldn't need regulations that state that there should be a manual way to open your car door. Have we gotten that stupid? Why in god's name would you not have that option? What happens if the battery dies and you can't start the car? You can't open the door to pop the hood to even jump it. With all the brilliant people that work at a company like Tesla and no one thought there should be a way to open the door from the outside if there's no power?

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[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

it's really smart to have non-mechanical mechanical parts for things like a door

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