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[-] kittenzrulz123 122 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Capitalism is the only system that lets you chase your dreams, if those dreams are stomping on the dreams of others through a position of privilege.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

Yeah “acquire passive income through exploitation and then pursue your dreams”

[-] kittenzrulz123 8 points 5 months ago

Especially if by "pursuing your dreams" you mean exploiting workers, protecting capitalists, making opportunities for money laundering (for capitalists), or oppressing and killing minorities domestic and foreign (to help the capitalists).

[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

Well yeah the key is to acquire that passive income before you're born, through your parents, so that you can pursue your dreams as soon as you're old enough to form them.

[-] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 66 points 5 months ago

Sometimes I think about how much art was never created because of capitalism. It either never got funded, or a potential artist never got the chance to make it, because just to scrape by, they had to spend too much time toiling to make some business owners money. It's depressing.

And, just to cut off one potential counterargument: I don't give half of a shit how "good" that art would be. I'm confident there are spectacular works of art that never came to be, but even putting it aside, it's all subjective. Some folks would have loved it, and the artists would have found value in making it. That's more than enough, and a hell of a lot more meaningful than breaking your back working for a living so that other people can own stuff for a living.

[-] flora_explora@beehaw.org 20 points 5 months ago

And how much crappy art was pushed to popularity just because it was more easily marketable. To be popular you have to somewhat sell out and there are probably thousands of marginalized artists no one ever discovered because of that :/

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago
[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

40 hour workweek is excessive. This is based around units containing at least two adults, maybe multigenerational homes with grandparents doing childcare. Now that we expect dual incomes the workweek should be 20 hours at most before overtime kicks in.

What I am getting at is that just giving people time back to exist could happen with changes to the current system. Unfortunately that means smaller yachts for the people on top, so we cannot have it.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 5 months ago

20 hours at most before overtime kicks in.

As a perpetually single guy I'm actually behind this. Most of the time I'm completely forgotten about and the conversation goes as if being married is the default position for everyone.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 9 points 5 months ago

I was just talking about this yesterday with a friend. They're a writer with a few small published things, but they can't do it full time because they're barely scraping by with work.

[-] storcholus@feddit.de 5 points 5 months ago

While I am not a fan of capitalism, there is something to say about everyone does what they do best. I am not an artist, but there is a lot of artists for me to enjoy and support on the internet, and for them it's easier than ever to live the life off an artist.

[-] Irremarkable@fedia.io 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

and for them it's easier than ever to live the life off an artist.

I am not an artist,

Very obviously

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[-] prole 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

While I am not a fan of capitalism, there is something to say about everyone does what they do best.

And you think capitalism uniquely allows people to "do what they do best"?

I'll make sure my virtuousic drummer friend who was forced to become an electrician's apprentice in order to survive knows about this.

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[-] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

I've seen so many youtube videos from conservatives where they literally just listen to someone saying what their minor/emphasis was and saying "wow, it's so stupid that's even offered, that's completely useless". The comments tend to be more unhinged, I frequently see "these universities should lose their accreditation", "it should be illegal to offer these", etc. Usually it's something extremely basic, like the impact of colonialism on X, or something to do with intersectionality. Like, these aren't even their majors, they're just a component of their degrees that they can freely choose. I feel like many conservatives are just against any new ideas regardless of their validity.

[-] Acemod@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

many conservatives are just against any new ideas regardless of their validity.

You got it right there. That's exactly what conservatives are.

[-] kofe@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Oh but they fucking love evo psych when a shitty study confirms their biases, but when they run into replication issues they just ignore it.

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[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

guarantee I learned more about running a business trying to market a touring clown show to feed and house a team of 7 clowns than most MBAs do, because if I fucked up we all would have nowhere to sleep and nothing to eat, whereas if they fuck up a PowerPoint presentation their boss-who-is-also-their-Dad might be slightly peeved in the QBR.

[-] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 31 points 5 months ago

Reminds me of George Lucas talking about how Soviet filmmakers had more creative freedom than American ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWqvaMEFIdI

[-] prole 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

While there is absolutely truth to what he's saying there, I do think it is sort of a "grass is always greener" thing.

For example, Tarkovsky famously butted heads constantly with Soviet censors/authorities about the content of his films (though to be fair, he was making some out there shit). I believe it's ultimately why he left the USSR.

[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Also capitalism: “Lol sure, you can give us $40k per year to get this art degree”

[-] Spectrism@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 5 months ago

There are capitalist countries in which tuition is free, so I don't know if we can blame this on capitalism. Then again, most likely you're still going to have a lot of other expenses like rent, food and possibly also books and stuff, so in that case UBI would be great.

[-] Urist@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 months ago

Free public tuition, like we have in Norway, is a non-capitalist component of an otherwise capitalist society. Paid higher education, like in the US, is a capitalist component of an otherwise capitalist society.

[-] AntonAmo@feddit.de 4 points 5 months ago

Actually this is the result of strong and convincing left parties and the fear of conservatives that communism might get more approval. At least in Germany.

[-] Spectrism@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago

Fair point.

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[-] yogurt@lemm.ee 20 points 5 months ago

Thus political economy – despite its worldly and voluptuous appearance – is a true moral science, the most moral of all the sciences. Self-renunciation, the renunciation of life and of all human needs, is its principal thesis. The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, i.e., the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being. Everything which the political economist takes from you in life and in humanity, he replaces for you in money and in wealth; and all the things which you cannot do, your money can do. It can eat and, drink, go to the dance hall and the theatre; it can travel, it can appropriate art, learning, the treasures of the past, political power – all this it can appropriate for you – it can buy all this: it is true endowment. Yet being all this, it wants to do nothing but create itself, buy itself; for everything else is after all its servant, and when I have the master I have the servant and do not need his servant. All passions and all activity must therefore be submerged in avarice.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 months ago

This goes hard.

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[-] z00s@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Neo cons unironically love all of those degrees, at least in the US. Don't forget that student loans are a big business.

Non-occupational degrees give a steady supply of young workers with massive debt and qualifications that won't enable them to get a job with a high enough wage to pay back the principle of that debt.

This is how the gig economy flourishes.

This is how Amazon stays in business.

This is how the hospitality industry thrives on a deliberately broken business model.

This is how landlords profit.

This is how the post-boomer generations are oppressed.

We are cannon fodder.

Rise up.

Become ungovernable.

FTP

[-] prole 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I was with you, but I don't think becoming "ungovernable" would help anything. Cool slogan and all but seems pretty counterproductive.

[-] z00s@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

It's really just a call to change by not playing by their rules, eg get a degree and then move to a jurisdiction where the loan people can't get to you, or get a degree from another country where it's less expensive.

I'm not really advocating for riots or anything.

[-] anarchotaoist@links.hackliberty.org 14 points 5 months ago

Communists: communism is the only system that creates equality.

Also Communists: Fuck art degrees, ...work the factory cogs comrade & think of the collective!

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Capitalist: If you aren't a simp for capitalists, you must be communist. There is literally not other choice. Trust me bro.

[-] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 months ago

Don't forget the few artists that do exist are forced to make state propaganda

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[-] muzzle@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

Capitalism is the only system that lets you chase your dreams as long as you can sell them

[-] RandomGuy79@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

You are free to chase those dreams. You are free to also struggle to find employment like the rest of us. Why hamper yourself? Do things that aren't profitable but you enjoy as hobbies Stop trying to find fulfillment at work.

[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 15 points 5 months ago

Art is hugely profitable.

The arts are a significant contributor to the UK economy. Here's a quick breakdown of their impact:

  • Economic output: The creative industries, which include the arts, are estimated to generate £126 billion in gross value added (GVA) to the UK economy. This represents around 5.6% of the total economy.
  • Employment: The creative industries employ around 2.4 million people in the UK, accounting for 7% of all filled jobs. This sector has also seen a faster recovery in employment after the pandemic compared to the rest of the economy.
[-] Tja@programming.dev 8 points 5 months ago

So your argument is... Yay capitalism?

[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 5 points 5 months ago

No, I was simply refuting the claim that art isn't profitable. If it was up to me, art as a recreation would be what people were encouraged to do with their days instead of working for corporations.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago

But people are encouraged to do art as recreation. There are plenty of groups and courses to paint, write or dance in your free time.

[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 3 points 5 months ago

The caveat was instead of working. As the OP said people should stop trying to find fulfillment at work.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago

Who are we to gatekeep where people find fulfillment?

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[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Ok, so your meme is wrong then...it sounds like the few artists that can't make it are just to shit at marketing themselves then.

[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Reading this comment has made me measurably stupider.

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[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 9 points 5 months ago

Dude, capitalism has been taking advantages of those degree, or rather, the whole education system!

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

What? How is art not profitable?

That's a big misconception there

[-] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

It has a limit. Lots of talented artists out there still looking for jobs. I know someone looking for a while and they worked on Archer(backgrounds and layout artwork).

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[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

It's true. ...As long as your dream is to make money or owe someone money, capitalism can make it happen!

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

I keep saying this to conservatives: what do they think will happen if there is oversaturation of "useful" jobs? They do not want an educated population, they want a dumbed down and compliant one who are unquestionably obedient.

[-] letsgo@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

Must be so awesome for those people living in non-capitalist countries that are able to do all those.

Remind me what countries those are please?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

Do you think Socialist countries don't have colleges? Lmao

[-] letsgo@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

I do think that doesn't answer my question.

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