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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 90 points 8 months ago

I have never whole heartedly supported the Democratic candidate (because I'm far more left than any of them have ever been), but I've always voted for them, because they're far better than the other option. This time they're just so far better than the other option, not because they are any better, but because the other option is so astoundingly worse. So, I guess, welcome to the club.

But I will say, Biden has been more progressive than any other candidate in my lifetime. Again, that's not saying much, but hey, it's better than nothing. He's just killing himself by supporting Israel.

(Repost of my comment from the same article in another community.)

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

The opinions of Biden seem to be all over the map, which is weird since he is the incumbent, and we all ought to know where he stands. There are lots of people (like you) who see the progressive things he has managed to get accomplished, even with a divided Congress in these past two years. Yet, there are others who perceive him as a right-of-center false choice.

He has always had trouble defining himself, which I think is part of the reason he was a perennial Presidential Primary loser. His stutter didn't help matters, nor his tendency to go off-script. But Trump's ascendancy gave him the perfect opportunity to create a definition, even if that definition is "Not Trump".

[-] RedditReject@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

There is also a great deal of negative press out regarding Biden. Honestly if you look at policy and accomplishments he's done quite a lot of good things. It is an uphill battle of course with Congress and the Supreme Court being what they are. We are a big country and it takes constant action to push it to a more equitable place for the majority of us.

Frankly, I think Biden has done a lot to start that push. It will take a lot more though and we could backslide terribly if we don't keep pushing.

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[-] kikutwo@lemmy.world 50 points 8 months ago
[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

With no aspirations toward better than "okay".

[-] kikutwo@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Didn't know I could conjure up a new candidate just by aspiring to it.

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[-] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 23 points 8 months ago

If you're a progressive, Biden has been the most progressive president since Kennedy. Lol.

If you're not. Are you willing to have American democracy end, because you personally weren't courted by the president?

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Knowing EC, it's very much the latter. In fact I suspect you should expect to be called a genocide supporter by them. Since you have dared not say something horrible about Biden.

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[-] enbyecho@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

With no aspirations toward better than “okay”.

When you take the first step on, say, a hike, do you have no aspirations to take another and another?

Or would you say... well, this first step is too hard... I'm just gonna lie down and take a nap?

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[-] zaph@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago

What should they be doing instead?

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[-] Zenjal@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago

As opposed to last time, when I voted for Biden to stop trump

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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

As far as I'm concerned we only have one legitimate party at the moment and that's the one I'm going to vote for.
But, even though Biden isn't nearly as progressive as I'd like, he still beats the brakes off of any other democratic president we've had other than Jimmy Carter, so I wouldn't say he's doing a bad job per se.
If he were running against a "rational" Republican I'd still vote for him, so I wouldn't say I'm motivated solely by my hatred for Trump.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Biden, DNC, establishment Democrats and Boomer Democrat voters: Okay guys we need to figure out who to elevate in the 2028 Republican primaries who's just as vile as Trump so those uppity leftists will have to keep voting for our pro-corporate asses.

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[-] Savaran@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago

Not me. I’m motivated on making sure myself and all my loved ones get to continue to vote. Stopping Trump and voting for Biden just so happen to line up for that.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago

Of course. He'd never win if not for the alternative being a fascist convicted of multiple kinds of fraud.

Hell, he almost didn't the first time around and that was WITHOUT being a willing participant in numerous crimes against humanity!

[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 30 points 8 months ago

At this point, I would say nearly all of them are, but then again, at this point- that’s all the reason one needs.

This is a DIRE situation we are in. It needs to be taken seriously.

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[-] NekoKamiGuru@ttrpg.network 29 points 8 months ago

One day the USA will get a president that has more to offer than not being his opponent.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

No they won't, their lesser evil bullshit will keep creating a progressively larger evil. So there will always be a boogeyman to sell.

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[-] comrade19@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

Im not American but doesnt everyone usually vote to keep the worst out not the best one in?

[-] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 8 months ago

Kinda... mostly because the best ones never become candidates. The parties push the candidates that serve the interests of the partys donors then try to convince the voters they actually care.

Most elections are a choice between two mediocre candidates.

With the current state of the Republican party, it's truly about getting more of them out of power. Unless you're a white Christofascist bootlicker.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 19 points 8 months ago

I used to mainly vote third party as a protest vote for both sides to do better. Didn't matter the party, really.

I voted for Obama out of genuinely wanting him in office. I thought he was decent overall but he did disappoint me.

I voted for Biden purely to keep Trump out of office. Even so, I think Biden has largely been a better President than Obama was, though the Gaza/Israel thing is really testing that. I would love to have a more progressive choice, but any time I am disappointed in Biden, I just remind myself the alternative and I would crawl across a mile of broken glass to vote for him.

So I would anecdotally say this election is outside the norm.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

40% of voting-eligible Americans simply don’t vote at all.

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[-] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 17 points 8 months ago

I honestly wonder what I'd do if a non-maga candidate replaced trump. Not vote for them, but I might vote for a third party at that point. Unless something changes, it wouldn't much matter; my voter registration is in a place that is very comfortably red so I'm not going to be able to change that.

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[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Biden

a Catholic president with a prosecutor for a vice president

the last four years have consisted of abortion rights being stripped, Cop City built to train police to subjugate citizens by razing a national forest, workers protested and were told to stop on threat of their livelihood with no change in worker's rights or higher wages, immigration policies have deteriorated, food cost are astronomical and inflation is rising on everything without stopping, journalism is dying due to corporate buyout with journalist being silenced

but Biden who is a career politician going on almost half a century now who is running against a career donor is progressive

when was he ever progressive? what about Harris? have either of these two been progressive at any point in their careers?

Biden worked on laws and policies that would put people in jail and Harris worked her career enforcing such laws

If a Catholic and a Prosecutor with a resume of putting the citizens in their proper places is progressive then yes we are truly fisted in the ass and gaped with no chance in hell

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

You know what my main problem with Joe Biden is? I'm 37, he's what? 79? I've been a citizen of the United States longer than he has. He's spent the last three generations in either congress or the white house, and the people who do that don't live in the same reality as the rest of us. Too many of the laws outright don't apply to them, either because there are literal exceptions or "we don't enforce that on them." Joe Biden doesn't know the first fucking thing about being an American because he hasn't ever actually done it.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago

Joe Biden doesn’t know the first fucking thing about being an American because he hasn’t ever actually done it.

His family struggled a lot when he grew up in a blue collar town, moved so his dad could find steady work, but still were definitely middle class. Then he worked his way through college and law school.

We can say his decades in Congress and the presidency have corrupted him, but the idea that he hasn't ever actually been "a real American" (the way you are using it) is an outright lie.

You know who hasn't? The billionaire who was born with a silver spoon in their mouth, schooled with other wealthy people in NYC, then was gifted a huge amount of to start, and then spent their entire career screwing the blue collar worker to line his own pockets.

If Biden has never been a "real American," then how do we describe Trump's lack of real Americaness?

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[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

I'm just done "trusting" Republicans in general. Romney seems to be the only one left that has a moral compass (that doesn't just point to "Nazi Jesus"). Even then I don't believe he'd give a damn about the poorest among us as long as he could point to record stock prices and low unemployment.

[-] norimee@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Yes. Please do be motivated by stopping Trump!

And especially don't be demotivated to go voting because you don't like the alternative.

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Biden has done so much fucking shit for the average american (which is saying something thanks to the Do Nothing fascists)

First US president to join the union workers ON THE PICKET LINE In many ways we have handled this world-wide inflation shit better than any other in the G7 nations Unemployment numbers are at record lows, .01 lower than any other time in the past 10 years at one point in january and april of last year and since then has only risen around 0.3-4 points, removed healthcare related debt from credit scores

I could go on and on, but instead, others have already done so for me (and these aren't even super recent):

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-opinion-biden-accomplishment-data/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/oneyear/

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/01/1143149435/despite-infighting-its-been-a-surprisingly-productive-2-years-for-democrats

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046

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[-] CaptKoala@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago
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[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

this is every election since ive been old enough to vote in them

[-] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

there hasn't been an election where it wasn't choosing the least bad person.

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[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago

I mean...no shit?

[-] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 11 points 8 months ago
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