Stop using Google. You can’t change them, you have to leave.
I'm using Duck Duck Go now.
I swapped to ddg about a year ago. I've noticed their search results are not the greatest either. There is so much spam and paid articles that make it to the top search results I often end up frustrated trying to find what I'm looking for.
The Internet really is enshittified.
To be fair I think DDG has improved marginally over the years while Google is simply shit now. I feel like spam sites are quite prevalent on Google but less so on DDG.
Is it a viable alternative? How is it going?
I’ve been using it for years at this point, and I really prefer it to google. For most of my common/easy searches, it gets what I want pretty reliably. Occasionally I’ll have more obscure searches where I do have to switch back to Google, but honestly Google feels less and less helpful for that as time goes on. To add, DDG has bangs which are just wonderfully handy. Turning your search into a google search is as simple as adding “!g” to your query, and it’ll redirect the search. There are tons of other ones too, it’s a really nice feature that makes DDG more convenient in a lot of cases. Very much worth trying out at least
I've been using duck duck go for months now. It's totally cromulent in my opinion!
It’s really good these days. Kagi is still the beat, but if you want free, DDG is the way to go.
I'll have to give this kagi a shot I never heard of it! DDG just doesn't ever seem give me what I want and I've been trying it forever. It's like I'm always playing this cat and mouse game with the search engine and it just gives me alllllmost what I want but not quite.
Free Google (& other) proxy: SearXNG
Further reading / Instances: Searx.space
One good instance: SearXNG.site
For basic searches (kinda a Bing reseller with disappointing results): DuckDuckGo
Vote-with-your-wallet alternative: Kagi (who may have astroturfed or may have not, but great engine at $10/mo unlimited - have tried their free trial)
Comments of mine RE: why everybody’s just reselling search ($1b+/yr to operate your own crawler): one and two
Same, but lately Bing fucked with their pricing, and now the search results are usually garbage. I have to go re-search the query in Google way too often.
this is wrong, because today you won't find the thing you're looking for at all. Just 100 results where one word of your 5 word query vaguely matches.
And then you notice that your search term was “corrected” to something completely different. Looking at you too, Amazon.
Fuuuuuuuck Amazon is even worse, if that's possible. You used to be able to search for a product and would get that as the first result or at least on the first page. Now, they just return shit that is vaguely related but is a paid sponsor or someone manipulating their search algorithms.
Slight update to this comic, to call out the dangers of Google's Sponsored Results.
Examples, for those that are not aware of this risk:
It's disgusting that Google will happily make money from scammers while completely aware of what's going on
I rarely trust top results from google, since I'm uncertain if I somehow missed the tiny gray text saying that it's an add.
Stop using Google.
And Microsoft. And Apple. And Amazon. And every single corporation that cares more about money and stealing people's privacy than serving you.
...like AMD and Intel and nVidia and ARM and Apple and Qualcomm?
Oh wait.
Yep!
It's all trash these days. We're having to just avoid the worst of it while preparing for the rest of it to also suck so bad that we have to find even more alternatives, and then just throw our computers away at the end or at least go back to computing where it wasn't all about stealing data, long, long ago.
I get where you're coming from, but I also feel like I might get kind of bored and I wonder how I'm going to get that hot sauce from Alabama that I like. I'll give up on a lot of my ideals and trade a LOT of frustration for artisanal hot sauces.
So, do you suggest just not using computers altogether?
Getting some cheap Nokia for the cellphone and be done with it? (Ig a refurbished IBM ThinkPad with FOSS on it is also fine)
I'm honestly amazed no one's sued google over the site telling them things like "Jump off a bridge if you're depressed" or that products have been recalled that haven't
Likely settled out of court silently with an NDA
by using uBlock Origin, uBlacklist, and then something other than Google.
&udm=14 is a temporary fix for those who still feel the need to use Google's search.
Paid search isn't the solution, as evidenced by the untrustworthiness of the CEO of Kagi search.
What I would like to see is a non-profit search.
Google wanted to organize all the world's information to make it useful. Sounds like a great idea destroyed by a profit motive getting in the middle. Try the same idea without the profit motive and you'll probably end up creating something people will defend endlessly, like Wikipedia.
What if your search engine asked you for a five dollar donation, once a year, the way Wikipedia does?
Search engines should be non-profit, honestly, they should be an extension of Public Libraries.
What does &udm=14 do?
It's the equivalent of doing a Google search and then clicking on the "Web" tab for results.
Clicking on "Web" manually inserts the &udm=14 at the end of the search string. I believe udm is just classifying which type of search to run, and this is a basic "web search" with no gimmicks.
&udm=14 is fancy for nerds who think they're special but for anyone else it's just clicking on "Web" results.
Do you mean to tell me that I keep scrolling I'll eventually get to the yellow promised land?
Just one more "o", maybe it will be there...
that's what she said
butlerian jihad?
This started to become noticeable years ago when Google decided to start censoring searches even with SafeSearch off.
I switched to Bing at that time, which was good for a while, but eventually they have started doing the same thing.
I can now no longer find a search engine that actually works to find me all the relevant results. I've tried all that I've heard of, and none will provide complete results.
The easiest canary in the coal mine for this is NSFW stuff. If I search for a popular character of which I know there's lots of porn/hentai, with SafeSearch off, and do not get a heavy mix of SFW and NSFW results, I know that search engine is messing with those results, and is also definitely doing it with searches that are not so obvious.
That's the neat part, you don't.
The top results have been useless spam for a decade or more at this point, and the only difference is Google sit there hoovering up the money instead. The money is in the way of search. Any popular search engine will end up the same way.
It's a shite situation, but until somebody makes a non-profit search engine and filters out spammy results, we'll continue to Google, scroll down two pages for a reddit link, and carry on.
Same with visiting almost any website.
Then
Now
kagi.com for me has been more than worth it for the price with unlimited searches.
CEO of Kagi has no boundaries and doesn't know how to take "no" for an answer. He thinks he can just browbeat other people into agreeing with him. It's a bad look and makes me have zero trust in Kagi as a product.
https://discuss.techlore.tech/t/kagi-ceo-s-recent-controversy/8119/2
I said elsewhere just a few days ago: These fucking techbros need to realize that sometimes shutting the fuck up and letting your products speak for themselves is the better move than trying to browbeat everyone into acceptance of your view of your products. Prelovac's insistence on being heard by someone who has no interest in a conversation with him screams entitlement and a controlling attitude. People who can't take no for an answer generally are not good people. Not being able to accept someone else's lack of consent and wanting to bully them into consent is a bad fucking look, period.
Cool
When I read your post I was expecting something much worse than what you linked to.
It wasn't really all that bad. Imo, it was 1 or 2 emails too many.
Maybe I'm a little biased because I love the product so much. It's a fantastic search engine again and all of the AI extras add value and aren't obnoxious like everyone else's.
I am still happily paying for kagi even if the CEO emails people that write shitty blogs about them.
I'm currently prioritizing DuckDuckGo over Google and others for a better quality of search results. There ain't much ads to mess your attention, and the results are quite good most of the time.
If you need to use Google, I'd recommend the &udm=14 trick, as demonstrated on the linked site. It goes straight to a "web only" filter for search results. There are some tricks and tips to set that to your default search option in settings, or you can get a browser extension.
I was (trying to) use AI to help me with something on my PC a few nights ago. It was telling me to go menus and choose options that literally don't exist.
Wtf is going on with AI right now? About a year ago, I found it useful for certain things. But it seems to have totally shit itself recently, and is pretty much useless now.
Models got downgraded because they were too popular/expensive to run.
Also layers of guardrails reduce inputs and output usefulness.
It's an extremely bold assumption to make to presume that we even could? Like Ukraine wanting to not be invaded, or Rome wanting to not fall, or someone wanting to not die of cancer, or perhaps the best analogy: never exercising a day in our lives + eating however we feel like in the moment, yet wanting to not suffer the negative consequences of obesity, hardened arteries, etc.
I take the approach of the stoics: we brought this upon ourselves, allowing ourselves to be tricked by the "Don't be evil" slogan. I do not own Google - I have no stocks in the corporation, they are not running their server code on my machines, they use none of my electricity, I do not own the land they park their buildings upon, etc. - and therefore I have no call in how they choose to go about their business. They chose to enshittify, and I am not offered a say in their choices. Therefore "we" cannot "fix" this. Only they could, and only if they want.
But maybe we can build our own LLMs so that we never need to use Google to search for anything ever again, directly? For now, I use DuckDuckGo whenever I can, Google when I have to, and perhaps most important go directly to the site that I want if possible - e.g. wikipedia, wiktionary, stackoverflow, Reddit if I absolutely must, etc. We lived in a golden era of prosperity when we were allowed to "have things", but that is over - we did not take care of it properly, and it was taken over from the inside, as it was always going to be, our delusions to the contrary notwithstanding. Now, maybe we can be more realistic about our expectations moving forward.
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