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[-] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 126 points 5 months ago

What I’m reading is that every car will have to be equipped with functioning GPS that’s going to check against a database of speed limits.

—Speed limits that can change and be out of date. —GPS data that could be stored and extracted from the dealership and sold or given to the government, insurance companies, and law enforcement. —GPS data that could be sent in real time if the car has a cellular connection or hijacks the cellular connection in your phone when you connect it to the car.

This is bad. Really really bad.

[-] elvith@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 5 months ago

…GPS data that ~~could~~ will be stored and extracted…

GPS data that ~~could~~ will be sent in real time

FTFY!

[-] hikaru755@feddit.de 27 points 5 months ago

I agree with your first point, but the latter two:

—GPS data that could be stored and extracted from the dealership and sold or given to the government, insurance companies, and law enforcement. —GPS data that could be sent in real time if the car has a cellular connection or hijacks the cellular connection in your phone when you connect it to the car.

Why do you think this is more likely to happen with this new regulation, when most modern cars already have a functioning GPS module for navigation and cellular connection for software updates?

[-] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's the standardizing that worries me. When it's required, people probably aren't going to be able to truly turn off their GPS (maybe this is already a thing, I don't know).

Edit: And when it's classified as a safety feature, it will [most likely] be illegal to disable, making car owners criminals if they refuse to be tracked.

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[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 126 points 5 months ago

When I read the headline I briefly imagined a world where people who bought new cars were statutorily required to honk at other drivers for their driving.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago

I was SO torn on posting this to the Not The Onion community for that reason. I find the headline hilarious (as evidenced by me commenting "HONK" throughout this comment section)

[-] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

I was picturing the same thing, but I imagined it was automated and I was dying laughing.

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[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 65 points 5 months ago

There are definitely areas of California where going less than 10 miles over the speed limit will put you well under the flow of traffic in every lane. If you're not going 80 on 80, you're gonna have a bad time.

[-] dudinax@programming.dev 21 points 5 months ago

Nevermind the long stretches in Nevada where the slowest guy pulling a trailer is doing 95.

[-] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Carpool minimum is 85 and everything else 80 minimum.

[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Plenty of spots on the 80 I cruise the speed limit in the 2nd slowest lane without any troubles. Just because a few people need to fly doesn't mean the rest of the world does.

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[-] TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world 49 points 5 months ago

Our GPS often shows the incorrect speed limit.

[-] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 28 points 5 months ago

And map data for speed limits is outdated at best.

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[-] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago

Someone driving at an unsafe speed? How about some distractions, that should work out great!

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 38 points 5 months ago

What will it use to determine where you are and what the speed limit is?

Google maps? Apple maps? Is there some government mapping service with speed limits that are updated based on construction?

Can I turn it off when it is constantly wrong on rural roads?

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago
[-] DemSpud@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago

I think a lot of modern cars recognise the speed signs with cameras

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 24 points 5 months ago

A lot of rural roads are unmarked, and use the state law standard.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago
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[-] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

Can I turn it off when it is constantly wrong on rural roads?

Oh you sweet summer child.

[-] AshMan85@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

It not the job of citizens to enforce the law but I guess cops are too busy murdering citizens.

[-] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 months ago

Wrong type of beeping, though I mistook it for that too. They mean an alert similar to the seat belt or door audible alerts. People who have some sort of device from their insurance ro monitor their driving get some types of beeps like this already (stuff like decelerating to hard).

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

Beep beep!

Car, I'm on the highway! I know GPS drifted a bit, but I'm not on the residential road next to the highway that has a 25 mph speed limit, I'm on the highway with a speed minimum of 45 mph!

Beep beep!

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Haha this will make using car alerts completely meaningless

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[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

How about tailgating?

[-] yol@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

My car beeps at me if j go the wrong way down a 1 way street. Of course it hasn't updated the maps of the area where i live in at least 10 years so it just beeps constantly.

[-] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

Are you serious?! I would set it on fire and launch it at the manufacturer’s headquarters, then plead “temporary insanity by incessant beeping” to the court.

[-] Meuzzin@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Enshittification is hitting every part of society...

[-] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's sort of the point. Make driving a shitter experience to promote public transport or just stay off the roads all together. You'll enjoy what's socially popular or your independence will cost a premium.

We already prohibit collecting data on road enshittification so it can never be bad.

Hang on to your old cars.

[-] ralakus@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

That'd be great if there actually were functional public transportation or any alternative transportation in most of California and 99.9999% of America.

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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Is this about speeding?

Or is this about getting every car to broadcast it's location data?

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago
[-] solrize@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

The car has to track your location and regularly download the local speed limits so it knows when you are speeding? Bet it's uploading your location too. This is way invasive and not just annoying.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Mine does this, but it's a user configurable speed limit.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

The light repeating ding of the AE86 after it screeches around every corner

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Literally impossible unless the cars have some kind of tracking software to monitor location.

and you know if its doing that, its not doing it without leaking your data to law enforcement and advertisers.

So, yeah, no thanks. Train cops to do their actual, legitimate jobs instead of letting them waste their time with actual fucking inhuman torture, and the issue would also be solved. and in the right way, instead of the invasive privacy destroying way.

[-] rooster_butt@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago

Modern cars read the speed limit signs. Like my 2021 rav4 does it so it's not just the techy cars.

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[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago

I'm surprised California dealerships aren't on top of this as a huge threat to their industry. Everyone will want to buy a car out of state.

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

So this turns every car on the road into a speed sensor yes? And then the cops use that aggregate data to feed cops info to inform speed traps and collect ticket quotas

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[-] exothermic@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Almost feels like this law will segue into some form of subscription based nonsense…

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

“Subscribe to legal updates for only $2.99 per month! Or risk getting arrested!!!”

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 6 points 5 months ago

This thread is yet more proof that Lemmy is full of paranoid Luddites who think everything is a slippery slope.

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

I literally am laughing out loud picturing one car going over the speed limit and all the other cars within a 100 foot radius being forced to honk in response. That’s literally what the headline makes it sound like

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[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 5 points 5 months ago

Why would you spend such a large amount of money for a new car? I don’t get it. If you are middle class it is like 50% or more of a whole year of income. If you are wealthy it’s still stupid to waste so much money on a thing that generally will depreciate in value. I don’t understand why so many of my co workers keep buying cars so they can go to work and buy more cars.

[-] Hegar@kbin.social 7 points 5 months ago

I share your frustration. Cars are dumb. New cars are shit and dumb. It's also super bad for the environment - the manufacturing is a huge part of the total carbon emission of a car.

Seems pretty clear to me that it's a status thing - you're displaying your access to resources by showing that you can waste them. That's why I think it's legitimately useful to insult people's new or expensive cars. Deny them the social reward they seek and it puts pressure to find a new status token. Maybe instead they can waste money on carbon fibre bikes or the latest overpriced micro-transportation.

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