nationalize them and force EV product lines and then spin off as a worker co-op

Absolutely they'll get bailed out. They know they're "too big to fail" and will make stupid short term decisions based on the fact that they won't have to deal with their own nonsense further down the road.

All of these comments about CCP subsidies and flooding the market with cheap goods are hilarious, considering fossil fuels have received several trillion (with a capital T) in subsidies every year for generations, and the fact that most of the products you buy are already manufactured in China.

Great point especially because the biggest way the US has subsidized fossil fuels isn’t even the trillions of dollars, it is the subsidization of fossil fuels through the foreclosure of young people’s future and every single generation after that running for thousands of years out into the indefinite future.

Cheap EVs flooding the market is what American car companies deserve but if it’s all garbage wish . Com versions of Teslas then American consumers don’t deserve to have yet another disposable commodity forced on them.

China doesn’t make crap, that is very very outdated perspective on Chinese goods. Chinese corporations isn’t necessarily in the business of ensuring quality control all the way up the production chain, but more luxurious brands still make all their shit in China too, they just (sometimes) add an additional layer of quality control on top of the Chinese method of industrial production.

I am sure there are absolutely shit Chinese EVs, but I am absolutely sure that there are also extremely nice affordable economy Chinese EVs, because China is a massive country and has countless different industrial production chains. It is simply a matter of doing the work to figure out which ones are producing quality EVs and which ones aren’t, same as buying any other product directly from China instead of having a western brand do the work of finding the quality products being produced in China for you and relabeling it with their brand.

Massive subsidies to destroy competition is also anti competitive. I have no love of the US auto industry and their many failings but maybe a tarrif tied to the amount the good was subsidized might help prevent that practise.

I haven't really thought it through though so I'm sure there are many nuances I haven't considered.

The thing with China imo is that part of the reason they've been so attractive for manufacturing has been that it's cheaper there, and the reason that it's cheaper there has been lower wages and lower safety standards. That's bad for pretty much everyone except for companies making stuff in China, and consumers getting stuff cheaper than is probably viable with more ethical labor practices (and even then it's not really much of a benefit to them, because those people need jobs too and so the negative impact there offsets that). It is sadly ironic that a country who's stated ideology originally claimed to be in the interests of labor (not that it actually was, but they talked that way), has made it's competitive advantage in the global economy pretty much be being a way around labor protections and unions.

Something I could see being potentially useful, then, would be a tariff policy that was roughly "if you make stuff using labor that's significantly lower paid than our wages, or with worse safety standards, we raise the price to be around what it would be if it had been made to our labor standards, so that there is no advantage in not keeping things fair for our workforce and yours". I've never really been a fan of things like tariffs, because I know that they mainly just make things more expensive and can reduce pressure to compete by domestic companies, but at the same time, the current system both makes the US dependent on goods made by exploited foreign workers as most people don't have good enough jobs to afford much better than that which is made cheap by that exploitation, and incentives those foreign countries to keep their people trapped in those conditions and not raise standards, to avoid losing that competitive advantage to another country that does not.

It doesn't matter where the technology came from. Most US car manufacturers shunned it. Foreign businesses saw it for what it was and moved with it.

Dude. I'm sorry man. 1600 bucks a month in my opinion is working for free. I don't know what country you live in but disability pays better than that in America.

Also, did spend. I no longer buy gas and it's a kind of freedom I can't even begin to describe.

It's one of those things where yea cheap Chinese products probably fail often but the more expensive Chinese products are quality stuff. I bought some camping lamps from a Chinese company, just a couple bucks more expensive than the chela stuff and they feel and are quality. Been using them for a couple years now and they're still as good as when I got them.

No… China is looking to put everyone else who’s manufacturing EVs out of business - or at least, severely diminish their market share. It’s economic warfare. It’s quite obvious.

I’m a little surprised, but also amused, at the intense pushback I’m getting from some people on this topic. It seems to fall into two categories:

• sinophiles
• “leftists” who are oddly focused on wanting a product for less than it actually costs to make, and damn the larger scale geopolitical implications.