As an American, I support Ukraine droning inside Russia. Fuck up their power plants, oil production, and bases! I believe most Americans would agree that in war, this tactic is fair game.
Power plants are not valid military targets though. No one should be attacking those and it's always wrong to do so.
Edit: I posted this comment and immediately went to bed. After waking up and looking at responses, I'm absolutely disgusted with people justifying and approving war crimes. Attacking civilian infrastructure like power plants is a WAR CRIME and that's why it's a huge deal that Russia has been attacking power plants. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Edit 2: alright, time for links since people seem unconvinced. Both the ICC and the UN consider the attacks by Russia on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure to be war crimes. If it's wrong for Russia to do, it's wrong for everyone to do.
Sorry, Russia already lost the right to say Ukraine shouldn't be hitting their power plants.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. If Russia started using VX gas, would it be acceptable for Ukraine to start using Sarin? Absolutely fucking not. There is never a legitimate excuse for a war crime.
~~Power plants are~~ Ukraine is not a valid military target though. No one should be attacking ~~those~~ it and it's always wrong to do so.
FTFY
Maybe. But destroying the Russian dictatorship is a moral obligation for everyone in the free world.
All Russian infrastructure and assets are valid targets. Both inside and outside of Russia.
Attacking civilian infrastructure like power plants is a WAR CRIME and that's why it's a huge deal that Russia has been attacking power plants. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. All moral obligations are equal. That means doing unethical and immoral actions in pursuit of an ethical and moral goal means you are no longer fighting a good fight.
Power plants are not valid military targets though.
Yes apples are not oranges, so why are you trying to change the subject?
AFAIK there is not a single example of Ukraine attacking power plants in Russia.
An oil depot or refinery is NOT a powerplant. Russia has more than enough oil to serve their population, but maybe they can't serve the military 100% too, if Russia chooses to prioritize their illegal military invasion over their own population, that's a Russian problem. As long as Russia prioritize oil for their military, oil is a valid military target.
I'm not trying to change the subject. The OP tried to slip a war crime target in with valid military targets, and I wanted to set the record straight.
Buddy, I can smell the straw from here. Ukraine isn't attacking Russia's critical infrastructure out of some need for retribution. If a grizzly bear attacks you, you hit that thing in any sensitive spot you can reach until it backs off. Otherwise you're dead. That's the situation Ukraine has been in from the start. They've been persistently outgunned and outmanned. The only way to get Russia to stop is to hit them where it hurts.
I'm not making some kind of strawman argument. I'm correcting the OP, because attacking civilian infrastructure is a war crime. If Russia starts using chemical weapons, should Ukraine start too? If you have any sense of ethics, you'd say no.
Congratulations, you've successfully justified a war crime.
Citation needed
Civilian infrastructure can in fact a valid target if it assist the military. Electricity generation is used to maintain many military systems, including telecommunications, logistics, lighting, radar systems, and all sorts of manufacturing capability that assists the military.
At least Ukraine is not doing it in the middle of winter, unlike Russia.
It's morally wrong to do so. At the end of the day, like every single other war in the human history sadly , the right side is the winning one, be It bombing power plants, hospitals or houses.
Power plants are not valid military targets though
Sure they are. You’d make a terrible military leader.
There have been no such calls for Ukraine to stop attacking Russia. The article is behind a paywall, and there are no corroborating stories from any credible news sites. According to the same article on yahoo news, the White House claimed its due to oil prices. The US gets its oil from Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Brazil. The headline has no merit.
Why would the USA expect Ukraine to listen to them when Israel gets more aid & regularly lies to the USA with 0 repercussions?
Israel doesn’t get more aid. Unless you consider total aid since 1946 adjusted for inflation, then yes, but that wouldn’t make sense. Israel gets 3.3 billion a year. Since February 2022, the United States has allocated $113.4 billion in emergency funding to support Ukraine.
'They don't get more money unless you count all the money'
Unless you count all the aid from before Ukraine was even an independent country?
Israel gets more aid
Israel probably hasn't gotten more aid in the last 2 years but overall they might have. Also, assuming this is even true, why would Ukraine listen to the US since they have abandoned support of Ukraine?
They are fighting in the fucking defensive war. What fucking logic is that? They should even cross the Russian border if needed.
What warnings? Last I heard the very deliberate language was that the US "Did not encourage" strikes inside Russian territory. Has that language escalated?
Can't read the article due to the torrent of pop ups unfortunately because I'm very interested to know the basis of the headline.
The article is paywalled anyway.
The basis for the title is that Ukraine is still hitting targets in Russia. Honestly, I don't believe the US was serious about their comments opposing those strikes. US oil companies will just make more profits after all.
I believe the argument was that it would raise global oil prices but that wouldn't make sense unless Russia is doing a better job of bypassing sanctions than we know about. There have been rumblings of Russia using intermediate countries to move oil and other resources, so there is that.
And note the source. It’s basically an industry rag.
If anything, it's an obligatory, "no... please... don't..." to maintain plausible deniability.
last section of the document 
It just seems super vague to me. It says that they are ignoring the advice to call off the strikes, but there's nothing in there from an official or anything about what exactly they are being advised. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but it doesn't seem definitive at all as to what's being communicated.
Every time I see headlines like these I remember that Ukraine denied the US told them to stop hitting oil plants in Russia, but people kept repeating the story.
Anyway...
Ukrainian forces launched a drone attack on Kardymovo, Smolensk Oblast tonight, successfully hitting a pair of Russian oil depots.
Both of the complexes are heavily burning.
Ukraine should only consider the comments of countries sending money and weapons.
When the US starts to send money again, then the US can comment.
Didn't they just approve an aid package this morning?
In addition to the 80 billion they've already sent?
It went through the house, it is not yet approved. And for 8 months now, Ukraine has gotten no support from the US.
What, really? August was the last aid package?
Pretty much, the repubs have been holding aid hostage like a bunch of petulant children. MTG and Johnson leading the way, sucking on that orange tanned dong.
How about this: we’re allowed to tell them how to run their war as long as we supply them an uninterrupted pipeline of the shit they need to win it the way they’re telling us to.
Oh wait: we already tried that, except we not only didn’t even do it well, but also didn’t hold up our end of the bargain because of fucking fascist far-right politicians. So we kinda fucked that one up, didn’t we?
Good. Fuck russia.
i want to see an FPV video of putin being chased by a drone and the benny hill music playing
As they should, I hope they somehow take out Putin
US to Israel: is ok bb don't worry big daddy will take care of those deadly deadly dwones for you, here have another million dollars and Google AI
US to Ukraine: pls don't drone Russia :(
Punish Russia for invading your country and if it hurts their economy perhaps that will deter other countries from pulling the same crap.
The article is paywalled but I'm guessing the warnings are because of the energy economics involved. If an effective counter-offensive drives up oil prices then maybe that will be the (admittedly likely painful) push the world needs to finally swap to other forms of energy. I'm aware it might hurt, but I think it's long overdue regardless of wars and the decades of stalling for economic reasons has done a lot of harm to the world.
Apt, considering what the US did in the Middle East with their own drones.
I like the Economist but maybe posting their articles here should be avoided since no one can obviously read them so everyone is just commenting about the headline.
Lolol Ukraine trading the war to Russia.
Putin is a cunt but that's a pipe dream.
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