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Anon has a power fantasy (sh.itjust.works)

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>fantasy setting has magic and flying creatures
>still using horses as main transportation

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>>250341473 (OP) #
>setting has nuclear energy
>still using coal as main energy source

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[-] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 133 points 9 months ago

There's a lot of hidden costs and infrastructure needed for magical flying beasts. Not to mention limited capacity. Little can compete with the horse drawn cart when it comes to capacity for price though.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Boats beat out horse drawn carts by an insane amount.

It’s why trade hubs and major cities were practically always on a major river and/or in a favourable location for a port.

[-] EmptySlime 11 points 9 months ago

Yep, not having a bunch of your trade going to feeding and caring for your horses makes a huge difference.

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[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

This message brought to you by Big Equestrian.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago
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[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

All magic comes with a price.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

What can I get for tree-fiddy?

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Well, it was about that time when I noticed that Rumpelstiltskin was about 8 stories tall and Crustacean from the Protozoic era...

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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I have giant hummingbird mounts in my game, but guess what? They need nectar from giant flowers, or just barrels full of sugar water, and/or they sometimes pick fights with giant insects in order to try and eat them. (Fun fact, hummingbirds eat small insects IRL) They're dead useful and loads of fun, but it exacts its price.

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[-] Noodle07@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Big chocobo disagree with you

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Plus, not every species can be domesticated. Gryphons and dragons are independent and not herd animals. So they may not understand the concept of following a leader, which is an important part of domestication. And if they did, you'd probably have to best them in combat before they'd do it.

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 74 points 9 months ago

setting has lemmy

still using 4chan

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There are positives and negatives to both platforms. Lemmy has an abundance of information about Linux and memes about Star Trek but misses out on literature discussion and completely lacks the ability to recognize sarcasm. 4chan is a concentrated discussion hub where every interaction is seen and evaluated, but occasionally it hosts a slight hint of bigotry.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 9 months ago

4chan (...) occasionally it hosts a slight hint of bigotry.

Understatement of the month. You don't even need to visit the obvious alt-right infested boards to see that

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago

Darn you, darn you to double-heck. I so completely believed that my sarcasm would be taken, especially after I lampshaded it. Unless this is also sarcasm, in which case you’ve checkmated me.

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[-] thechadwick@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago

You would just not believe the regulatory burden of maintaining magical creature flying safety regime too.

You drop a simple glove off directing and 30min later, boom. You've got a gnome commission setting up barriers around it and paperwork for weeks to come..

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago

Setting has electric cars

Car enthusiasts of the setting are fanatical about petrol cars instead

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 16 points 9 months ago

They are now because you can still get petrol reasonably cheaply. When the price rises because everyone else has gone over to electric I think they'll be less interested. Part of the problem is that there's a whole generation of people who've grown up with loud noise equals cool car.

Pretty soon though there'll be a whole generation for whom the vast majority of cars were electric their whole lives and I suspect they'll be less interested in petrol cars. It'll become a much more niche hobby.

[-] Shard@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Even for luxury cars that run on petrol, there's been a need to mimic old engine sounds so that the owners don't feel like their cars are underpowered.

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[-] uis@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

> Setting has public transport

> Setting is still full of carbrained petrolheads

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[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 11 points 9 months ago

I bought my 30 year old car 15 years ago for $2000 and it still runs well and hasn't needed too much in the way of repair. Find me an electric that can do the same and I'll make the jump in a second.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 6 points 9 months ago

Find a 1994 EV in good nick? I can find you 2024 internal combustion cars that won't last 15 years; I can find you a 2024 EV whose manufacturer says will last a million miles (or maybe that's the 2025 version), that's 33.3 thousand miles a year for 30 years. But that manufacturer lies.

Did your car claim a greater than 30 year low maintenance life when new? Is its lifespan typical of the model?

Can we take your position as "has an outlier lifespan car, doesn't want to replace it"? My last car I sold was 20 years old and had seats with worn out cloth (and exposed padding) and broken plastic trim around its adjustment controls

Nissan leaf battery replacements were a minor repair when the first of those needed them. They got much better than new batteries for pretty cheap

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[-] MargotRobbie@lemm.ee 35 points 9 months ago

A more accurate analogy would be along the lines of having jets and helicopters in the world but still using cars or trains as the main form of transportation.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

Both of these can be explained with the same reasoning.

[-] squid_slime@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago
[-] spookex@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Didn't know that capitalism made people blow the miniscule dangers of nuclear power out of proportion and create irrational fear

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

The by now miniscule risk of meltdown is not the only downside to nuclear power compared to renewables.

There's the fact that a nuclear power plant takes a decade or more to build and make operational and we need to replace fossil fuel energy production NOW. In comparison, gigantic solar arrays and wind turbine parks can be ready in a matter of months.

Then there's the nuclear waste. There's been discovered one truly forever safeplace to store it in the world, deep down into a mountain in Finland (afair, could be Norway). Even if we (unreasonably) assume that it can all fit there, transporting all the radioactive waste of a world reliant on nuclear energy to Finland would be an environmentally ruinous nightmare.

Lastly, nuclear reactors need cool water to function efficiently and safely. Global warming, the very thing proponents say they're the best solution for, is making nuclear plants less effective and less safe.

In conclusion, renewables are by far the best solution, not nuclear energy.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

a nuclear power plant takes a decade or more to build

That's largely due to waste, not the actual process of safe construction. If there's public will, nuclear projects could be fast-tracked without compromising safety, though the costs would probably go up:

But those were far from the only costs. They cite a worker survey that indicated that about a quarter of the unproductive labor time came because the workers were waiting for either tools or materials to become available. In a lot of other cases, construction procedures were changed in the middle of the build, leading to confusion and delays. Finally, there was the general decrease in performance noted above. All told, problems that reduced the construction efficiency contributed nearly 70 percent to the increased costs.

By contrast, R&D-related expenses, which included both regulatory changes and things like the identification of better materials or designs, accounted for the other third of the increases. Often, a single change met several R&D goals, so assigning the full third to regulatory changes is probably an over-estimate.

So, while safety regulations added to the costs, they were far from the primary factor. And deciding whether they were worthwhile costs would require a detailed analysis of every regulatory change in light of accidents like Three Mile Island and Fukushima.

As for the majority of the cost explosion, the obvious question is whether we can do any better. Here, the researchers' answer is very much a "maybe." They consider things like the possibility of using a central facility to produce high-performance concrete parts for the plant, as we have shifted to doing for projects like bridge construction. But this concrete is often more expensive than materials poured on site, meaning the higher efficiency of the off-site production would have to more than offset that difference. The material's performance in the environment of a nuclear plant hasn't been tested, so it's not clear whether it's even a solution.

The above focuses on costs, but there's also some discussion about time as well (e.g. waiting for tools and materials).

nuclear waste

At least in the US, we have plenty of space for that. Most of Nevada is barren, and isn't likely to be used by people for anything important. There's also research into recycling spent nuclear fuel into new fuel:

Spent nuclear fuel from power plants still has 95% of its potential to produce electricity

I don't know much about water use though, so that could absolutely be an issue in many parts of the world. I am interested in looking into efficient ways to desalinize water, which is important for a whole host of reasons.

In conclusion, renewables are by far the best solution, not nuclear energy.

The best solution is a mixture of both. We need an inexpensive baseline energy production. Solar, wind, etc are bursty by nature, so we'd need a large amount of energy storage in order to go full renewable. Until I see a practical, inexpensive way to store energy, I'm going to push for nuclear since it's a clean, stable energy supply.

[-] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Renewables are a solution only in short term. The biggest issue with renewables is the relatively low power output. Our power demands will only grow in the future and eventually we're going to hit a wall with renewables. Long term nuclear is the way to go. Ideally we should be creating solar and wind parks and focus on making thorium reactors viable so we could switch from renewables to thorium.

Nuclear is the future, just not the kind of nuclear we're using right now.

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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 9 points 9 months ago

I won't comment on what's true worldwide, but at least in Australia, a report from 2014, a decade ago, found that it would be more economical to invest fully in renewables rather than starting up a nuclear industry.

The notable difference between Australia and some other countries like America is that at the moment, we have no nuclear generators. So we have no capacity in terms of expertise in designing, building, operating, and maintaining nuclear generators whatsoever, and would be starting an industry from scratch, which obviously will be more expensive than merely scaling up an existing industry in places that have it.

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 19 points 9 months ago

Makes me wanna link the thread where people were making the argument that wheelchair users and deaf people wouldn't exist in fantasy settings.

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 16 points 9 months ago

Just because there is magic doesn’t mean everyone can afford it.

Also interesting to think about, if a deaf person has a magic amulet that grants different hearing, are they no longer a deaf person or are they a deaf person with a magical aid?

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

are they a deaf person with a magical aid?

I think they'd still identify as deaf for community purposes.

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[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

I remember seeing the same for trans people, but in granblue fantasy some people still weaponized how Cagliostro was a born a man to make her mad, doesn't matter how she looks or what she has down there, bigots will exist even in fantasy.

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago

They can totally exist in fantasy settings, but there has to be a reason why magic "doesn't work" to heal that. "It's a curse" or "there's a powerful magical will" or whatever.

If it's DnD, it can easily escalate into whether Reincarnation "fixes" that, since the person is getting a new body of a possibly different race.

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

A horse costs way less than a scroll of Teleport, or seven Fly. Like how it's cheaper to drive than take a plane. You also don't take a plane when an hour long drive will do, and you don't cast Teleport to go from your room at the inn to the nearby village to clear out some goblins.

[-] elshandra@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

you don't cast Teleport to go from your room at the inn to the nearby village to clear out some goblins.

Me who casts teleport to go from the inn, or my house, to the centre of town in games.

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[-] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 months ago

Coal 675 billion kwh

Nuclear 775 billion kwh

Renewables 894 billion kwh

Natural Gas 1802 billion kwh

This meme is dumb and wrong. Funny tho.

[-] lessthanluigi@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Setting has Nuclear energy

Still using Natural Gas as main energy source

[-] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Natural gas is not really an improvement 😭

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Dystopian Fantasy; only the rich and powerful have access to magic.

Edit: Bright would actually be that, now that I think about it. 🤔

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

only the rich and powerful have access to magic

You need lots of free time, rare books, expensive materials... I can totally see the random farmer getting into it.

[-] daemoz@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Sounds like mistborn nobles

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[-] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Discworld really handled the overlap of magic and technology the best.

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[-] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

"We need to subsidize the horse industry to protect jobs!"

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