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Remote workers tell Dell they got a promotion at another company and are giving their 2 weeks notice. 🤞
That's exactly what dell wants, it's a way to do layoffs without the bad PR and without having to pay the benefits (or whatever they are called). They know full well a good chunk of people working at home don't want to go back to the office and will hunt for another job instead.
Sure but doesn't mean you can't be applying and interviewing on their dime. This bullshit isn't anything new and only leads to the company retaining the blow average employees. If you can leave and get a raise in the process you should.
Performance is irrelevant if you're gone by the time of your next review.
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it's a way to do layoffs without the bad PR
In what world isn't this bad PR? I know it's making me never want to work for Dell or buy any of their computers again.
Layoffs look way worse on a headline than this
Depends. Your shareholders might like it and send the stock up a few points.
There's layoffs all the time at Dell. There were two rounds last year.
The thing corporations are risking though when they do this, is brain drain. Brain drain is a real and dangerous thing for a corporation.
The sad thing is a lot of companies are doing the same thing...
I'm job hunting rn and most of it is hybrid or in office. I am not saying all of them are I seen a few that are remote but they feel sorta rare at least for the jobs I'm looking at (graphics programming, games and GPU stuff).
Have you entertained the idea of agreeing to a hybrid job and sorta just appear fewer and fewer times in the office? It's been working for me so far.
Most of them seem to mandate a fixed number of days in office. Some even say specifically certain days. I dunno... currently software job market feels pretty fucked up rn, but I been getting some good interviews so hopefully it all works out.
For WFH something I might be able to do is recently I was diagnosed autistic and my diagnosis documentation lists WFH as a workplace accommodation.. so I could pull that card but I for sure am not gana bring that up till I have actually accepted an offer and have started working for a bit of time. And even then I am not sure how it will play if I tell them that, how it will effect things or how they treat me. It's all kinda fucky.
Yep, and all the remote jobs get hundreds of applications immediately.
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Dell about to find out what a de-moralized and quiet-quitting workforce is like.
People talk about quiet quitting a lot so I looked it up. That just sounds like doing your job without trying to get ahead.
There are two interpretations.
It's either do the intended job, but nothing extra, which I think is just normal work, or don't even try to do the job properly, do as little as possible while staying unnoticed to avoid getting fired.
The name implies the latter, but that's not how all people use it.
Which is actually a perfectly good way to approach work, but even the hustle-is-virtue people who think workers should constantly be overperforming will have a hard time justifying it when the company has specifically said high-performance cannot yield a promotion.
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It's honestly a great fit for all those remote Dell workers who are ineligible for promotion.
Stealth firing me thinks. Dell getting on that post 2022 tech layoff thing a lil late
The best thing about a soft barrier like this (as opposed to "you have to be in the office next Monday") is that it doesn't cost the employee anything to coast along until they find their better opportunity. Dell may trim their workforce, but not on their own timetables.
They just sold VMware. Sounds like we're going for record profits!
There were plenty of layoffs last year too.
Hey guys, you know who we need less of? All those guys that know what they're doing!
This is unequivocally true. Most (not all) people who come in to the office are there for “social” reasons, aka politics and optics. Note that this isn’t the same as people who go to the office for actual social reasons, but they prefer once a month type get togethers.
Productive people are productive from home, period. Productive people don’t need to be nannied into being productive.
And nanies cost money. So do you have another employee who could be productive now play babysitter half the time? That isn't going to help anything but a lot of companies seem to think it's the answer.
That is messed up. Dell sucks.
It's all coming from Michael Dell. He pushed this policy out and offered no explanation.
Wouldn't be surprised if the people trying to push this policy are heavily invested in office real estate also
It’s all coming from Michael Dell. He pushed this policy out and offered no explanation.
If true, that's so strange, considering he said this before...
“If you are counting on forced hours spent in a traditional office to create collaboration and provide a feeling of belonging within your organization, you’re doing it wrong.”
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Hybrid sucks. It's like the worst of both worlds.
If you are going to have meeting with remote and in office, never have anyone in a meeting room.
I love working hybrid. I feel like it’s the best of both worlds. You get 2-3 days in office where if you really have something collaborative to do you can just schedule it then, and then utilize the rest of the week on more singular tasks without the commute. I currently work 3 days in 2 days remote, and I think 2 days in 3 days remote makes more sense, but I don’t think I’d go out of my way to look for a fully remote job, and I definitely don’t want 5 days a week in office.
The key thing is that everyone who’s hybrid has the same days in office, and the in office days are consecutive. Without those two things hybrid is kind of pointless.
That last bit is HUGE. Part of what is great about working from home is flexibility and forcing people to be in on certain days just isn't ever going to work for everyone. Inevitably you will end up with meetings where one person has to dial in and now the rest of team is annoyed they made the effort to show up that day.
Anyway, I don't disagree with you that a hybrid where everyone is on the office together for some amount of time could be very good for productivity and teamwork. However, it just isn't a realistic which then, as you said, makes it pointless.
Just let people work from wherever works for them.
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As a hybrid worker myself, I honestly enjoy it. I've got an open office with a couple of new hires that I'm mentoring. I can bother people at their desks, rather than fighting to schedule them over Teams for a five minute talk. Lunch spots downtown are genuinely good and I can stretch my legs a bit walking around.
Then I've got W/F to myself at home, so I can roll out of bed and dive in and eat out of my fridge.
The worst part about my job, atm, is that all our DBAs are these overseas contractors who are constantly coming and going and don't know our systems past whatever documentation got telephone-gamed to them over three prior managers. Would love for a little less work from ~~a trans-Pacific timezone~~ home, tbh.
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Customer tells Dell it won't be eligible for consideration as a replacement PC. No conditions were mentioned.
What an absolutely buck wild strategy. Dell official policy is no longer promoting the best person for the job.
Even if they wanted this to be the strategy, it works better not to announce it. Announcing it just means literally anyone worth promoting who is remote will go looking externally, maybe immediately.
This is either a sneak layoff or inexcusable management.
From the article...
The upcoming policy update represents a dramatic reversal from Dell's prior stance on work from home (WFH), which included CEO Michael Dell saying: "If you are counting on forced hours spent in a traditional office to create collaboration and provide a feeling of belonging within your organization, you’re doing it wrong."
Instructions unclear, down payment made on Honda Accord.
Fucking dipshits... Always have been, I hope their CEOs find themselves locked in a SAW like puzzle with the HP CEOs
Well, I found plenty of remote work jobs are available.... Even for less money, it's still worth it. I can move to an area with very low cost of living, scaled down to just 1 car, saves on gas, clothes, time. I do the same job on the same screen no matter where I sit
Screw you Dell
WFH and successful collaboration are not mutually exclusive. Quality of life and commuter culture are (unless you define yourself by your job ... which is sad).
Studies are just statistics hidden behind words and statistics can be twisted to support any theory. Also, the main study being touted in this thread as verifiable facts is absurdly manipulated and miniscule.
The "researchers" of that study have constantly been changing the dataset used to calculate their numbers and then doing fuzzy math to "re-weight" the results. Removing and excluding participants based on salary or the year of salary that it uses to generate statistics from. Oh and the participant count is 200k since May 2020. Meanwhile, the US Bureau of Labor Statistics National Current Employment Statistics show about 135 MILLION non-farm private sector workers in the US.
Yeah. An actual study of how WFH impacts companies and workers does not exist. Mostly because companies don't care to spend the money to find out and no one else has the money or access to truly determine the truth.
So, in the absence of an actual facts, let me randomly quote anecdotal statistics which is completely unscientific, 6 out of 10 people you ask prefer WFH or Hybrid (except if they are a people person and need personal interaction for their own happiness or their home life sucks). The 7th one out of 10 want full time back to office for whatever personal reasons they have. Usually related to in office romance or criminal activities. The 8th out of 10 wants no one to be able to WFH because their job can't be done remotely and are envious that they chose a career they don't like. The 9th and 10th out of 10 people are the ones who stand to benefit from people being tethered to a life of nothing but your job being the sole focus of everything you do. So, when it comes down to it, it feels like a toss up when you ask people but really, its just those with personal reasons or a vested interest in the rat race that want asses in seats. Governments, real estate property companies, business district establishments and ride share companies for example.
I personally would love for my job to be fully remote without any ridiculous salary adjustments based on where I live. The skills I need/have, the work required of me and the quality of work that I perform does not change because I moved to a LCOL area. The compensation I get for my work shouldn't either.
As a compromise or if I have other reasons for being willing to commute to an office for my type of work, I would prefer a 4 day work week with 2 days in office and 2 days remote. Also, no stupid rules about making the days non-consecutive or otherwise forcing artificial barriers to minimizing the impact to your personal life for office face time.
Glad this comments section is filled with thoughtful posts instead of just mindless raging.
What are your thoughts on the subject?
The evidence is mounting that hybrid seems to be the most productive, with full WFH being less productive than full in office.
And this lines up with my experience, having been full wfh for around 10 years, and now in a hybrid setting.
I get that commuting sucks and wfh is way better for workers, but if we want to work out what's best for both employees and business, we have to actually be reasonable, rather than just have some kind of mindless knee-jerk reaction that these companies are trying to be productive.
I think the future of work is hybrid, with lots of flexibility for workers to take the time they need for typical shit, like going to the doctor, without it counting as vacation.
Hybrid sucks. It's the worst of both worlds. Meetings with half In a room and half not are awful.
Hybrid stops the progress to efficiency, allowing for bad practices to creep back in. Poor documentation, bad workflows, side work nobody knows about, to name a few.
Work from home can be just as productive, if not more so, but the workload has to be managed to achieve it.
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