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Every part of that is a strawman. There are zero demands in the post, no references to the entire world or 2 years, in fact his specific accusations you are intentionally strawmanning away from span his very lengthy career as a politician. Do you know what a strawman is, are you aware you almost exclusively address arguments with a strawman? Its ingrained into how you type even
Nope not a strawman, that's what he demands when he says the world hasn't changed in 2 years wrt drilling. The time frame is 2 years, as explained before. See repeat, you say yes, I say no.
"When he says" followed by nothing that they said, is a strawman
"When he says" followed by a paraphrase of what he said, or followed by the underlying logic of what he said, is not a strawman.
Sure. But youve given neither. Im not being cheeky with technicalities like "oh he used a synonym but he didnt use that exact word". Nothing alluding to a demand, nothing alluding to the entire world, nothing alluding to a 2 year timeframe. Youve made all of it up.
I didn't make any of it up at all.
Oh its someone else now. Alright you gonna try explaining how the guy making specific criticisms of Bidens own actions was actually demanding the entire world change in 2 years? Throw in some stutters and 1s and !s to help sell it.
It's worse than that, he claimed that he was responsible for Republican policies that he tried to make better1111!!!1!1!1! Lol.
Trump is soooooo much worse, which is the whole point.
Man you havent been keeping track of what Bidens been up to, these arent republican policies this is Biden. Like not a single republican voted in favor of the bill that opened up more federal land for oil and gas drilling.
Trump is worse, but you guys have lost your minds and tunnel vision past that same guy agreeing with you that trump is worse
"Just because he clears the incredibly low bar of being better than trump, doesn’t mean he’s actually good."
Read shit, quote people, stop strawmanning.
Ah sorry, yes.
"Finish them" - Nikki Hayley - written on an Israeli bomb, in front of the IDF.
"Dictator on day one" - Trump
More repeat? Are we having fun yet? Not a strawman when it actually captures what he says, he wants the world to overhaul on a dime.
Im noticing a severe lack of quotes of what they said to help support your claim.
Oh the strawman accusation isn't working out so you demand quotations now. Oh wait you didn't say the specific word "demand" so I can't say you just demanded, according to your logic. So again, it captured what he said. Fun times yet?
No, quotes would be the easy way of proving youre not strawmanning. If they said what you claim they said that would be my immediate go to. But my brain is wired to address what people say, not strawmen
Again, it captured what he said. Thus not a strawman. You even have other people pointing that out.
Just like how you didn't try to dispute me saying you demanded this or that, when you didn't say the specific word "demand". It captured what you said.
If your brain is so hard coded that you can only see specific words and can't see what captures what he said, then you have one hell of a hard coding. Frankly, that's on you.
If it captured what they said you could show what was being captured. Like here, you mentioned drilling, so heres what they actually said "Increased drilling permits" is this what youre capturing in saying theyre demanding the world to change in 2 years, or is that elsewhere in the comment?
I addressed each point as they came along, you can follow it crystal clear. You just figured it out, even though it was crystal clear back then and in all my comments since. So no I don't have to go back and show you again. Look how much fun we've had back and forth when you either already knew, or could easily figure it out. So easy that, shocker, you saw what point of his I captured. So at this point I think you are discussing in bad faith and/or trolling.
So we can say it again since it was so easy you figured it out, yes it captured what they said. You even have other people pointing it out. Just like you didn't dispute me saying you demanded this or that. Thus not a strawman. Are we having fun?
Man you really cant respond to what someone says can you? So back to this quote "Increased drilling permits”, which is not a demand, is not about the whole world, its a targeted criticism of a specific action Biden took.
Lol he implicitly demanded a (likely notable) decrease in drilling permits. I captured what he said, thus not strawman. Are you really are that hard coded that you can't see anything except the exact words, so you demand (see? that's what you're doing and that's what I captured) that he said he exact word "demand". Frankly your hardcoding is on you. I'll keep pointing out that it's not a strawman as long as you need.
Its amazing that i specifically said the opposite of what youre strawmanning me with now.
When you say implicit, understand your strawman is starting there, coming up with something that wasnt alluded to in any way to attack instead of what was actually said or meant.
Where did that quote come from? You didn't say that to me.
So not only do you demand I go back and find quotations for something or other, you demand (yes I'm saying that) that I go hunt through your comments to other people and incorporate them into discussions with you. AND you very, very likely just saw that was said to someone else when you went back to find that.
Fucking wow and fucking lol. Yeah you graduated big time to bad faith discussion and/or trolling.
And we're back to: I captured what he said. Thus not a strawman. Because yes it did capture what he said. You even have other people that tell you that (that's where you went back to find that quote). You really are so hard coded huh that you demand the exact words and exact words only. Again frankly that's on you.
yeah it was someone else. I got confused because of how insistent you've been that Im demanding exact wording, when thats the only instance of me mentioning exact wording in the whole conversation. You just coincidentally strawmanned it into existence. It is still proof against what you're trying to strawman me with.
huh, I was expecting at least another post or two before you discarded what both of us now know I said that disproves this strawman.
Im gonna go ahead and bring back up you still havent attempted to quote the guy to support your claim. or quote me somewhere saying Im demanding exact wording. anything other than just claiming you're right without making any attempt to show it.
That's a strange apology.
You have been demanding exact wording the whole time. Oh is this where you demand I go back and find quotations of you saying "demand"? Lol. Captures what you said. Just like I captured what the other guy said. Thus not a strawman against him or against you. Sorry to say but you are horrible bad faith. Scratch that, I conclude you are trolling. I recognize your name, we talked before and I guess you didn't how that ended so you decided to troll me.
Yeah you just showed it again, you demand (yes) I go back and quote. I think you just want me to waste time, because you are trolling. This is where you say strawman, but I'm really comfortable calling it out now that this has continued to today and the little stunt you just pulled.
Yawn. I captured what he said. I captured what you said. Thus not a strawman.
I expect you're trying to get me to block you, so that I can't see your comments and reply in the future so that your comments go unchallenged. Pretty sure that's it. This is where you say strawman again, but don't worry I won't block you. I'm happy to keep going and keep replying to all your comments in the future.
Way too much strawmanning to dig through, so lets start there
Start where? Your accusations of strawmans? That's what I can gather.
Yawn. I captured what he said. Captured what you said. So not a strawman.
I notice you don't dispute your actions.
The quote
Ah you're back to demanding (yes) a quote because you are so hard coded that you can't see I captured what he said. Well I think you can because you figured it out and said it all, but that doesn't work so well when you want to play the fool and troll huh.
I captured what he said, Thus not a strawman. Yawn.