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So what’s an acceptable number of innocent people being murdered to recover other innocent people, in this instance four?
Is 100 acceptable? 1000? 10000? Everybody?
As per your P.S. How come you don’t see the same from the Israelis, they’re endangering civilians too?
What the IDF is doing is terroristic, as is what Hamas has done. So either you’re for terrorism or against it, you can’t say it’s ok for one side and not the other.
The fact is Israel is an apartheid state and they have been stealing land for decades. What would you do if you were a victim of this?
Furthermore, the hostages could have been returned many time with any one of the ceasefire deals on the table, but the Israeli government want blood not the hostages.
You deserve an answer. An acceptable number of innocents, in a perfect world, is Zero. But who is in control of that? Hummus.
"Whataboutism" is lame.
Probably not invade, kill and kidnap innocent people, and run away to hide among women and children. But that's me. Obviously it's okay for Hummus /s
See above.
It's too late for that, and Hummus knows it. They could have returned the hostages, but they need to go away. They've already stated their goal is to delete Israel, so Israel should just... what? Let the terrorists live and regrow. Also, Israel is proving that if Hummus doesn't return the hostages, Israel will take them back anyway - and there will be unfortunate casualties because of where Hummus hides, behind women and children. Tough shit for them, I guess, but with Hummus pissing themselves while cowering behind them, they don't leave much choice.
And let's not forget, if Hummus is hiding among women and children, women and children could choose to live and turn those assholes in, or overpower them, or... is there an anti-Hummus underground in Gaza? There should be.
So accepting a ceasefire isn’t a viable option. Your bias here is staggering.
As it is when you do it.
There are conventions that says that a state in persecution can defend itself.
Yes both sides are wrong. Just one has a staggering advantage.
The acceptable number of Hamas-Voters is: as many as it takes.
Terrorism must not be rewarded. The gazans voted Hamas into power, they were celebrating on oct 7th. But now that they are the ones under attack, suddenly they don't want to play anymore. But they obviously also don't want to exchange the hostages!
When was the last vote and what is the average age. The majority of people alive never voted for Hamas.
So the people currently alive in Gaza don't support Hamas and don't want Hamas in power?
Then that's all the more Reason to support Israel in overthrowing Hamas, no?
Israel isn’t overthrowing Hamas though. They’re actually empowering them by Netanyahu spending the last 17 years sidelining Palestinian moderates. Abbas offered to work with Netanyahu to actively fight Hamas but was turned down, because Netanyahu refused to work with Palestinians of any stripe.
That is 100% correct. But the Israelis hate Nettanyahu because they now realized his policies not insubstantially cause Oct 7th.
Nettanyahu will be impeached and removed democratically after all this is over. Hamas on the other hand can't be removed democratically. They have to be removed with force. And right now, only the IDF can do that.
Actually no. Netanyahu may be unpopular but he’s been able to avoid elections for a year now.
And Hamas cannot be stopped militarily; killing all these civilians only makes more people support the group. What WOULD cause Hamas to lose support would be to empower moderates, but Netanyahu has spent the last 17 years undermining them and deligitimizing them, even arming Hamas so Palestinians would fight one another. Smotrich yesterday announcing he’s withholding Palestinian tax money to the PA only makes the PA look even weaker since even moderates are unacceptable to the Israeli government and will suffer under Israeli rule despite cooperating with them.
Correct since they never voted for them.
If you think you can overthrow Hamas you’re insane. Israel have secured the next generation of sign ups by killing people’s entire fucking families.