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What kind of institutional gaslighting is this?
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So... Doing your job well is "quiet quitting" now? I don't want my boss to think I'm quiet quitting, I Guess I'll have to underperform instead.
Quiet firing on the other hand is giving raises that are under inflation. Companies should stop this quiet firing shit.
Giving raises? My employer quiet quit that more than a decade ago. Meanwhile inflation and price gouging march on.
What proportion of people have jumped ship in the last ~8 years as a result? (Understand you could have good reason for sticking around.)
It's a very small company. About 1/3 have moved on. The attraction is that it's relatively accommodating for other things in your life.
Ahh, flexibility definitely compensates for a good bit of opportunity cost. Know people who stay in easier remote jobs to avoid the responsibilities and demands that come with moving to certain higher-paid positions.
I fail to see how we are responsible for the emotional well being of our management. Did I do my job? Yep! Did I do it well? Yep! Stand and deliver thy raise O manager, or face the wrath of my competing job offer.
News organizations have employees as well. It doesn't surprise me that they are in on the gaslighting.
If they don't play ball, you think they'll keep their job?
I am not placing blame, just observing that News Companies still have staff and could be on the side of the Capitalists when it comes to worker rights.
Edit: I think I understand. I agree, not all staff writers (or any?) could be in a position to refuse the editor when they say "write me a piece on quiet quitting".
It was always a stupid fucking term that equates doing a job with quitting.
Not increasing pay isn't quit firing, because there is no firing. It is just businesses being stingy.
Edit: Guess I wasn't clear enough that I am responding to the general statement that not giving raises is constructive dismissal, and didn't add a footnote that not giving raises to specific people could be part of constructive dismissal. Nuance is hard.
it's constructive dismissal.
Only if it targets specific employees with the goal of getting them to quit. If the business doesn't give raises in general they are just being cheap.
I feel like meeting that to a legal level is a stretch. Minor cost of living raises that don't meet inflation doesn't rise to that level in my uneducated understanding
Yeah it wasn't entirely serious.
Not increasing pay with inflation is a pay cut because your pay is literally worth less without it.
In a sane world, if the fed is dictating the money supply, with their actions directly impacting inflation, every workers pay should be indexed to inflation. Same goes for taxation, welfare payments, etc. Companies raise their prices regardless.
I agree it's a dumb term, so I made up my own dumb term. (At least I think I made it up)
Employees are allowed to be just as stingy as businesses.
Quiet quitting: doing what you're paid for
Normal working: doing what you're paid for but also asking managers for more work when you're done -> that's what's expected from management and also takes some load off their shoulders, they love that
Over achievement: doing what you're paid for and more without asking management -> management will promise you a seat at the table of you continue doing that long enough!
If there's advancement opportunities try to do the second one until you reach a point where you're happy and then do the first one :)
Hahaha someone's living in fairy land.
If they deep throat the boot hard enough, maybe they'll get to wear it someday!
Tell me you're 14 and have never worked a day in your life without telling me you're 14 and have never worked a day in your life.
This person is a manager
Or crawl so far up management's ass while throwing all your coworkers under the bus. THAT is how you get ahead. Stepping on your coworkers.
Quiet quitting is the practice of meeting minimum expectations with low moral or engagement. Underperforming could lead to termination for not meeting minimum expectations.
Woosh.
Also quiet quitting isn’t anything except a bullshit term dreamed up by capitalist crybabies.
More like inexperienced middle-management. Discussing the team member’s reasons for disengagement could lead to a solution for them, or even multiple team members. Saying “I have nothing to complain about” proves ineffective leadership looking for cause to terminate.
The only solution I would accept involves guillotines for the rich and the immediate end to the exploitation of the proletariat globally, so I don't think that's going to work for most middle managers.
That’s fine. I’m just saying the managers in that headline are the problem, not the employees.
You are saying it in a way that sounds like someone doing their job is disengagement.
Engagement and morale are measured independently from performance. The blurb states that the employees are meeting minimum expectations of performance, so the manager has “nothing to complain about.” I’m saying that’s bullshit leadership. If your employees are unhappy, you should ask them why and address any work-related dissatisfaction.
Someone doing their job without going above and beyond is a work related concern?
That is what we are talking about.
I’m on your side, but you keep missing the point. If you’re in charge of people that need to do a job, and while they are getting the work done, they seem miserable. Wouldn’t you give enough fucks to find out why? Standing there and saying, “well I can’t fire them because they’re doing the work” is the real problem. Not the definition of engagement.
Why do you think someone doing their job and not going above and beyond is likely to mean they are also miserable?
I would expect someone who just does the job they signed up for to be happier than someone who thinks they have to go above and beyond.
It doesn’t matter if they’re meeting or exceeding expectations. Performance is measured independently of morale and engagement. If you meet expectations, but you’re unhappy at work, a decent leader will ask why and try to make your work life better.
Then just make the minimum 30 pieces of flair 🙄
The issue many people have is how some bosses redefine underperforming as "not doing enough unpaid overtime".
Well that’s completely fucked. I don’t work for free. That’s also illegal.
Exactly. But a little illegal activity never stopped a corp. Wage theft is rampant, estimated at $50 billion a year.
And that's called quiet quitting in OP's post.
this. every so often someone posts an article on how wages are beating inflation and im like. where? who? this is not my experience.
If you want an inflation beating raise, you need to get a new job. Companies have long since stopped caring about employee retention.
Probably if you take an average and include the multimillionaires getting bigger raises.
I can't wait until AI hits these middle managers that were just enough good at their jobs to earn a promotion and now spend their days sending angry emails to the people that actually do the work, while collecting more income than the workers... 🖕
"Quiet quitting" is a bullshit term meaning to do your job but nothing above or beyond that. Joshua Fluke has done multiple videos on this BS, and at this point there are plenty of other idiotic terms thrown around to try and make workers look bad.