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[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Liberal countries are the only ones capable of providing a safe and prosperous society for all. It doesn't mean all liberal societies are like that, but liberalism is the only one that can create and maintain one.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 17 points 1 year ago
[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

What countries do you think are best for human rights? And how many of them are fascist and how many are liberal?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 11 points 1 year ago
[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Do you often struggle understanding written language?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 12 points 1 year ago
[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 10 points 1 year ago

ESL peeps should probably not try to beef about people refusing to engage with their nonsense

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Do you want me to ask those two questions again holding your hand and explaining the words I use as they come, or will you admit that the only countries with decent human rights situations are liberal?

Look, bud, I understand you're upset that I didn't engage in your amateurish rhetorical trap, but it's not my fault you don't understand that the question was answered.

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

None of the questions were answered. Take your time with it. I know these things are difficult for people like you, I'm patient.

Hit me up if you need help with individual words alright bud?

Tiresome, obstinate, and uninspired.

Be "useful" and go demolish a homeless camp or something.

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

So you admit that liberalism is a requirement for equal rights.

As I thought.

And yeah I'll demolish the camp after we house all our homeless peop... Oh wait we already did, fantastic, bless liberal societies

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Cute that's all you can say💖

No point in arguing about the color of the sky with a pig.

[-] bouh@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

All but those who are excluded from it. Who are the slaves in your countries? How many societies had to be destroyed for your country to become what it is now?

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Who are the slaves in your countries?

Speaking for my country, uh idk, don't think anyone here's a slave. Occasionally you hear of some sketchy work practices, usually involving underpaid immigrant workers at restaurants but those issues are quickly dealt with.

How many societies had to be destroyed for your country to become what it is now?

None as far as I'm aware. We were first exploited by the swedish empire and later by the rus*ian empire. After which we were destroyed twice by soviets and barely scraped against the nazis. So I'd say we were on the colonized side of history rather than the exploiting colonial one, the swedish speaking population here still owns way more than the rest of the country - relatively speaking - as often is the case in exploited countries as old money never really dies out even if the underlying society progresses past it. Of course I'm glossing over a ton of historical events here and straightening out corners, but I'm happy with the answer.

[-] bouh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

You're still in the honeymoon phase with capitalism. You'll see in a few decades.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Czechoslovakia was leaning capitalist and prosperous before the Nazis and then Soviets invaded, both leaning much more leftist, and surpressing the people.

[-] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The nazis are leftists now? That's basically political illiteracy.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

In my opinion yes, but you're free to have your own definitions for left and right since historians and economists alike disagree on their definitions too.

My definitions are basically, leftistism is collective control of the means of production. Rightism is individual control. The left is therefore a much more broas category as collective control can take a ton of different forms.

[-] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Nazis weren't left even by this definition.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes they were. They were corporatist, and exercised significant control on the economy.

[-] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So you are actually equating a central authority with political left! That is very interesting to see how far the liberal propaganda went to brainwash people.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm equating central planning with leftism yes. Because no one denies a free market is right-wing, so leftism must contradict that.

[-] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Political illiteracy by the example.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the explanation 👍

I like to think I have a bit of political knowledge seeing as I have watched hours of C-SPAN testimonies from the 90s, but I must just be at the peak of Dunning-Kruger

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Damn it is hard for fascists to admit being wrong, isn't it? Looking at yours and the other guys' squirming is nearly cringe.

[-] bouh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Well, I'm living in a country that's turning fascist. It prides itself for being the country of the human rights yet it's being condemned by EU human rights tribunal regularly.

In 50 years it was on a turbo run for liberalism. What this gave us is more poverty, more riches inequalities, less public services, mental health problems, and fascism might be our next government. Congratulation capitalism! Go on!

I'm not advocating for fascism btw. But it is a fact that the winners or capitalism are turning their countries into fascist ones.

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

So it was liberal, and everything was good, and now it's turning fascist and everything's turning bad?

Read my first messages again now and think.

[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Read my first messages again now and think.

The irony here is palpable.

I think you fail to realize liberalism has multiple contextual definitions, depending largely on location, and that neoliberalism is largely criticized by progressives.

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

As opposed to what? You didn't think did you?

[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The only thing funnier than stupid people who don't realize they're stupid is stupid people who are convinced they're intelligent and can't shut up about it.

Thanks for the laughs!

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Username checks out

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