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Dusk Developer David Szymanski: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly (twitter.com)

submitted 1 year ago by Carighan@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world

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If I'm honest, I don't disagree.

I would love for Steam to have **actual competition. Which is difficult, sure, but you could run a slightly less feature-rich store, take less of a cut, and pass the reduction fully on to consumers and you'd be an easy choice for many gamers.

But that's not what Epic is after. They tried to go hard after the sellers, figuring that if they can corner enough fo the market with exclusives the buyers will have to come. But they underestimated that even their nigh-infinite coffers struggle to keep up with the raw amount of games releasing, and also the unpredictability of the indie market where you can't really know what to buy as an exclusive.
Nevermind that buying one is a good way to make it forgotten.

So yeah, fully agreed. Compared to Epic, I vastly prefer Steam's 30% cut. As the consumer I pay the same anyways, and Steam offers lots of stuff for it like forums, a client that boots before the heat death of the universe, in-house streaming, library sharing, cloud sync that sometimes works.

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[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 80 points 1 year ago

valve might be the closest thing i have ever seen to an actual benevolent dictator, even if said dictator is very lazy and only deigns to do anything significant once in a while.

[-] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Don't fix what ain't broke.

[-] Chailles@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I mean, the back button has been broken since basically the whole UI overhaul.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There was a recent update that addressed the back button. Since then, I've noticed clicking games in my wishlist and then going back returns me to my scroll position and a few pages that were missing in the back button (like it would back past them) are now there.

[-] Chailles@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I've been told there's been an update for the back button since like a day after the new UI was released. Doesn't matter whether in Beta or Stable, it's still broken for me such that I get sent back to the library.

[-] iamhangry@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

More like: out of sight, out of mind.

[-] hh93@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

That's because you are not in a position to produce and sell a game.

As a user it sure is the case but as a developer you are in a position that you either have to take their 30% cut or accept that you are selling way less

The fact that pretty much immediately after epic launched their store steam lowered the cut for big publishers tells you that they are fully aware that 30% is too much to be reasonable but they completely could get away with that because Devs just didn't have a choice.

Because of epic that now changed since even if you don't actually sell more games you at least can get a guaranteed profit as if you sold those games that you miss out on by not being on steam.

Sure the way epic is doing it is not good but I really don't see another way how a significant number of buyers would ever come to another store. That didn't work for EA, that didn't work for Ubisoft, that also didn't work for GOG where you actually own the game without DRM and not just a license to play it as long as the server is allowing you.

People are fundamentally lazy and hate changing their routines - that's why forcing them into buying at your store is necessary if you want to get them to switch.

[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It's a really fascinating market dynamic. Steam is good to consumers, generally speaking, and offers features to that end. Family sharing is the wildest thing imaginable, since it's formally letting customers share one purchase instead of each making one for two purchases. Their refund policy too is really, really nice.

Valve has effectively chosen to be more enticing to the end user than to the seller. They've gathered up so many buyers that it's foolish for sellers to not set up a shop there. A 30% cut of revenue is hefty, but like you said, that sets up a dynamic where both want the game to succeed. I suspect paying a monthly fee to remain listed on steam would end up worse for everyone.

Gaben is one hell of a mastermind.

[-] systemglitch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Subpar is being generous.

[-] beefcat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because of epic that now changed since even if you don’t actually sell more games you at least can get a guaranteed profit as if you sold those games that you miss out on by not being on steam.

how long do devs think this is sustainable?

to me it seems like devs are trading long term sustainability for short term profitability. sure, your game Cracksnot was profitable because EGS paid out the butt to make it exclusive. now hardly anyone has played your game, how many people are going to get excited about Cracksnot 2 in a few years? will epic still be willing to pay you upfront for Cracksnot 2 exclusivity?

if egs never really takes off (which so far, it hasn't), eventually epic will cut their losses and stop throwing money at it.

[-] Cybersteel@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

That's what everyone is doing nowadays. Trading long term "potential" for short term gains. Let's face it, the earth isn't gonna last forever, it'd be a neverending hellscape in like what 40 - 50 years. Better to enjoy it while you can by getting the most of what you need right now.