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me when I hear the phrase "biological male(s)" 😖
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[Transfem/Transmasc/Non-binary]
You trying to tell me what my experience of this world was and is like is really rude and ignorant.
Like obviously I adopted some bad/toxic behaviour of people treating me like a man but you can unlearn that, be better.
Silly example: lots of men do not wash their hands after using the toilet, it is in male circles generally accepted as normal behaviour. When transitioning I very quickly washed my hands everytime, because of how normal it is for all women in the bathroom to just wait their turn to wahs their hands...
Am I now "feeeemale socializeeed" wahahahahha?
No I would not even say so.
female and male, in this context, are used to mostly describe the bad manly and good womanly behavior.
This bad male behavioral traits however, you will notice are not exclusive to men in your life. If a cis women is speaking up loud and interrupts other people (and there are those that do this) you would not call them male socialized but obnoxious, inconsiderate and loud. There is literally no reason why you should not just call out bad behavior for what it is, rather than to blame a persons asigned gender at birth for it.
Just do not push your ideals of gender on the behavior of people, judge them by their character.
I get what you're saying, but also, it's an intellectually bankrupt idea. For the idea of male or female socialization to have any consistent meaning, it must assume some cultural universality in the constructs of of maleness and femaleness. Additionally, lending the idea credence requires ignoring the reality of cultural, regional, and individual variation in the ways that individuals are socialized. It's one of thos e things that make sense if you don't think too hard about it.
The use of "male socialization" (it's invariably "male socialization" because trans men are invisible to transphobes) to invalidate the gender identity of transgender folks without discarding gender altogether raises too many intractable questions to survive scrutiny. Is a girl raised around men who make no meaningful distinction in her treatment, who is a tomboy and ends up working in the trades and considers herself "one of the guys" "female socialized" despite the fact she has neither knowledge nor interest in what the dominant culture considers feminine? If the answer is yes, it can only be the saddest, most technically correct "yes" imaginable. If it's a yes, it's a useless yes that illuminates nothing.
Honestly, I don't have the patience for a lot of this navel gazing queer theory.
We're talking human beings, not mathematical proofs. You can't disprove a concept that applies to 99% of the population by citing edge cases that only apply to 1%. You're making the mistake of seeing me use words like "most," editing that in your head so you think I said "all."
You need to get out of the ivory tower. You're too deep in theory to see the real world. Edge cases don't disprove the fact that 99% of trans women will have been treated according to male gender norns as a child, and vice versa for trans men.
Navel gazing about intersectionality doesn't change this fact. Yes, every culture has slightly different standards for male/female socialization. All that means is that you'll have been socialized according to the norms of your culture. That doesn't erase socialization. It just means trans women in India have a slightly different experience with male socialization than trans women in the US do.
Every country has slightly different currency. That doesn't mean we can pretend that money is a concept with no universal meaning.