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I get what you're saying, but also, it's an intellectually bankrupt idea. For the idea of male or female socialization to have any consistent meaning, it must assume some cultural universality in the constructs of of maleness and femaleness. Additionally, lending the idea credence requires ignoring the reality of cultural, regional, and individual variation in the ways that individuals are socialized. It's one of thos e things that make sense if you don't think too hard about it.

The use of "male socialization" (it's invariably "male socialization" because trans men are invisible to transphobes) to invalidate the gender identity of transgender folks without discarding gender altogether raises too many intractable questions to survive scrutiny. Is a girl raised around men who make no meaningful distinction in her treatment, who is a tomboy and ends up working in the trades and considers herself "one of the guys" "female socialized" despite the fact she has neither knowledge nor interest in what the dominant culture considers feminine? If the answer is yes, it can only be the saddest, most technically correct "yes" imaginable. If it's a yes, it's a useless yes that illuminates nothing.

[-] isleepinahammock 1 points 5 days ago

Honestly, I don't have the patience for a lot of this navel gazing queer theory.

We're talking human beings, not mathematical proofs. You can't disprove a concept that applies to 99% of the population by citing edge cases that only apply to 1%. You're making the mistake of seeing me use words like "most," editing that in your head so you think I said "all."

You need to get out of the ivory tower. You're too deep in theory to see the real world. Edge cases don't disprove the fact that 99% of trans women will have been treated according to male gender norns as a child, and vice versa for trans men.

Navel gazing about intersectionality doesn't change this fact. Yes, every culture has slightly different standards for male/female socialization. All that means is that you'll have been socialized according to the norms of your culture. That doesn't erase socialization. It just means trans women in India have a slightly different experience with male socialization than trans women in the US do.

Every country has slightly different currency. That doesn't mean we can pretend that money is a concept with no universal meaning.

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