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[-] victorz@lemmy.world 42 points 21 hours ago

I don't get it. Is this some personal vendetta the dev has? Have they really been in this many internet arguments? Where did this list come about and why?

[-] neuracnu 30 points 19 hours ago

Here's their full explanation: https://lemmy.world/post/49817942

It's pretty long and includes some insightful details about implementation (making the blocklist's usage at the discretion of the instance admin though not transparent of its contents and defaulting it to enabled) but this quote boils down the underlying sentiment pretty well:

“These are all rough edges of the threadiverse which I am attempting to round off so we might actually be able to retain some level headed people instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel by being a dumping ground for people rejected by civil society."

When you examine the list, by and large, it's pretty reasonable. Lots of false news, state propaganda, spammers, etc. But also the entire lemmy.blahaj.zone instance (where many of lemmy's trans denizens call home). We're included in what the lead developer describes as "bottom of the barrel" "people rejected by civil society."

Though I do fear the backlash. You've got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

All of this shit falls flat when the dev themself admits they hid the feature to disable deep in the app and even called it "toxic mode". Is saying "perchance" toxic? Because that's one of their blocked phrases. Fuck no, it's not. This is just shit the personally dislike and put it in under the guise of making the fediverse more normie friendly.

As if silently hiding content with phrases like "perchance" and causing a massive drama makes the fediverse more normie friendly.

[-] prole 6 points 3 hours ago

“These are all rough edges of the threadiverse which I am attempting to round off

I'm a rough edge!

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Really? I'm malicious spammer, hate-monger or blackhat state actor? News to me, but good to know.

Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.

[-] RedSeries 1 points 4 hours ago

Yeah that comment was about you specifically. Sorry you had to find out that way

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

We’re included in what the lead developer describes as “bottom of the barrel” “people rejected by civil society.”

That's fucked up. And he's the self-appointed "nice" [secret]police? Yikes.

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 24 points 19 hours ago

some personal vendetta

Seems like it's hubris / arrogance - a poorly considered attempt to create some kind of ideal social experience.

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

They thought they could covertly silence leftists and trans people. Par for the course with bigoted fascists.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

Been reading up on it a bit, yeah, seems to be the case indeed. Shame it went that way for them.

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 6 points 21 hours ago

They posted an explanation in the tesseract community, but it boils down to they want the fediverse to succeed and replace reddit, but there is a contingent of toxic users that they feel is hindering that goal so they precompiled a list for new instance admins.

It's fully optional and can easily be disabled in the UI

[-] Zombie@feddit.uk 81 points 21 hours ago

It is not fully optional. It was obfuscated and unremovable. That's why the backlash has been so severe.

Not to mention, why should a user interface make that decision? That's up to individual server admins and their userbase.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 20 points 20 hours ago

Fully agree on the weirdness that this would somehow be the concern of a frontend. Nah brh. Very strange.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 9 points 20 hours ago

The author offers a lengthy explanation in their own words as to precisely why this was done. TLDR: people are free to stop using it, but he's making these changes because he wants to offer this service on behalf of those who don't enjoy all the toxicity here.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 hours ago

Your TLDR reeeeeeealllllly buries the lede.

[-] Zombie@feddit.uk 41 points 20 hours ago

Lmfao. I didn't make it more than a few paragraphs because it's written with the maturity of a 10 year old in a chocolate sausage museum.

You can really tell they're up for an honest and open conversation with the community, really trying to improve the Fediverse, with their locking of all comments.

He's clearly the toxic one and is projecting his issues onto hundreds of others.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 17 points 19 hours ago

Lol. TIL I'm a violent extremist. Me. Boring, professional, suit wearing, family of four having, generic white guy.

The world this guy lives in must be truly weird.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 19 hours ago

Boring, professional, suit wearing, family of four having, generic white guy.

That is like the quintessential serial killer description by his neighbors.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

"It's the quiet ones you gotta watch" -George Carlin

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 8 points 19 hours ago

I mean, to be fair, here is that entire paragraph for context:

As will be explained further, there are 10 rules that are enforced, the biggest one being a very basic “don’t be a violent extremist”. That’s probably 30% of the list. Another 50% are just alts of Dwazou (persistent, long-term ban evader), and the remaining 20% just garden-variety spammers and toxic people who scare the normies away.

Based on this, it is much more likely that you are an alt of Dwazou. (Or maybe I am? 🤪 Statistically, between the three of us, you me and the author, ONE of us must be!!)

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

Maybe we both are. I'm not sure we'd know...

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 18 points 20 hours ago

THAT list is able to be disabled, though people are mad about its discoverability and transparency.

The OTHER list, the smaller instance-level one, reportedly cannot be disabled, seemingly the only recourse for those instances on it are to use his fork of the code.

This is from db0's reporting, I have not attempted to confirm personally, but I would be happy to be corrected if need be.

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