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Can we defederate from hexbear.net?
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Hexbear has the highest proportion of people with neopronouns in their names that I've seen on the entire fediverse, and for that reason alone I would prefer that they stay federated.
But the brigading, harassment, disinformation campaigns, bad faith arguments, and excessive emoji spam aren't a problem? Those reasons alone are why they need to be defedded. My instance did so yesterday and the site has been all the better for it.
Why are you commenting on this thread when you're not a member of the server?
Because I know how much of a problem Hexbear is. They're harmful to every community they flood into with their trolling, brigading and harassment of anyone who disagrees with them. I don't care if this isn't my home instance, I want to spread awareness of this problem so that users here can participate in peace without being bothered by Hexbear's abhorrent behaviour.
Lol try that on the hexbear folks
In my experience, the Hexbears are often weird and annoying and wrong, but not in a way that's illegal or that I think warrants deplatforming. So ideally, in situations like these, the solution would be for individual users to be able to block entire instances and share block-lists with each other. I've heard that this is possible with uBlock Origin and sort of possible with one of the mobile clients, but it really should be a known and user-friendly feature of Lemmy itself.
As long as this isn't a feature, though, then obviously Hexbear should be defederated if that is the will of the majority of Blåhaj Lemmy users. I'm just speaking for my own experience, having not really experienced any of those things you've described. Ten people, ten colors.
Maybe you might consider that some queer people actually use neopronouns? They're not just used by right wing attack helicopter jokers. Perhaps the instance you come from is full of right wingers, but we are not.
Honestly, I really don't see how saying you go by Spivak pronouns when you actually prefer he/him even counts as trolling...? It's like, "Oh wow look at these dingdongs actually referring to me with the word that I told them to refer to me with, I'm such a le epic troll"
This was a concern we had when we were discussing how to handle pronouns, and it's the reason that we decided not to have a custom field option. Instead, our policy is that we'll add pronouns if someone requests them and they seem to be acting in good faith. We have a couple strange ones like doe/deer, but that's because a longtime user used them and requested them, and doe never showed any signs that doe was a troll.
What the other user said was part of our reasoning for adopting them. On the cases where we've had trolls come in and use them, they tend to go mask off pretty quickly and get banned, and we don't really care if they think their owning us somehow.
If you mean people use neopronouns to make people who hate neopronouns mad, I mean I don't know how to distinguish unless you're a mind reader but honestly who cares. You can use whatever neopronouns you want for whatever reason you want, unless it's mocking trans people.
Honestly, if I were in charge, I would've had a custom field. I just don't like the sound of needing to have one's pronouns approved.
Fair enough, but it's just a formality and idk of anyone ever being denied. We just do it that way to prevent trolls from putting helicopter jokes in there because we hate when the trolls are boring.
Also just well meaning people using the tags for something else, too. The pronouns are there for addressing people politely, not jokes or statements or symbols.
Wouldn't the solution then is to just ban the trolls, not moderate pronouns? If there's going to be trolls, letting them be visible would make them easier to identify and ban, no?
That would also be a reasonable approach, sure. Maybe it'd be better. But our approach hasn't caused any problems as far as I'm aware, I've never seen anyone say that we didn't have the pronouns they wanted, and I'm confident that if they did the mods would add the option for them, like what happened with doe/deer. We were just concerned about opening up an avenue of misuse, and it's very rare that someone uses pronouns not on the list so it's easy for the mods to accommodate when it happens.
:::spoiler Here's the list fyi
at the time the decision was made, the site hadn't yet taken a zero tolerance policy about transphobia - this was 3 years ago. so we weren't sure the bans would actually happen. a few months later, the fact that pronoun tags were mandatory got relitigated so often that trans users started leaving, including one of the admins of the site. they convinced her to stay and had a come to jesus moment and they immediately took a hardline stance against bigotry. the decision not to put in an open field was never relitigated because it was such a tumultuous time for the community - for the longest time, no one wanted to reopen those wounds.
I should also say that since then hexbear has become the most trans-supportive space, that's not exclusively for trans people, that I've ever been in. and the fact that pronoun tags makes every reactionary froth at the mouth has been a boon for making sure reactionaries can't hide amongst the userbase for very long before they out themselves involuntarily.
it's because of the edgier humor on the site amd the constant influx of right wing trolls. we'd all prefer an open field but it would get abused more often than it would get used for it's intended purpose. or at least, that was true at the time. banning all the "dae pronouns are bad" reactionaries from the userbase might make it something worth revisiting.
Directing conspiracy theories specifically at a bloc of self-identifying trans people that they aren't trans is a pretty shitty thing to do without strong evidence, let alone the zero evidence you offer.
This is a blatant and very obvious lie
This is the dumbest thing I've read today
This is incredibly transphobic, those are our nonbinary friends FIGHT ME
its also DISGUSTING how many votes this comment has, each one should be banned