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She's an idiot to think her loss to a convict and rapist was anyone's fault but her own. She'll have even less of a chance against any reasonable candidate.
"I bet you won't vote for a woman!"
... Ok... Do you have any policy positions we should know about?
"You wouldn't vote for THAT guy over a woman would you?!"
Please ... We literally just want healthc-
"LOOK, REPUBLICANS THAT DON'T LIKE HIM!"
Seriously. I did vote for a woman. Just not a pro-genocide woman.
Me too.
As bad as it is, that really should have been enough. But too many idiot Americans failed to effectively vote against Trump; so they are responsible for him. You can cry that she didn't motivate people, or her platform wasn't perfect or even that her laugh was annoying. But whatever. You didn't stop Trump, that's on you.
I mean, I voted for her knowing she was going to lose if that helps you at all. Same for Clinton actually, who ran on an identical platform and lost to the same fucking guy.
It's on the Democrats. for absolutely refusing to run on policy. Twice.
On a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 being "not perfect" and 5 being "What the fuck are they thinking. They don't even pretend to represent us, this is just vile.", where do you rank helping a foreign apartheid state commit genocide?
The criticism isn't about her motivating people. She deserves to be villafied. Her "platform" was disgusting. Stop scapegoating just because the newsletter tells you to.
Not sure what newsletters you get, but please stop trying to project your narrow-mindedness on me.
I would love it if the Dems were to run someone who was actually progressive and took a strong stance against violence. But the billionaire class owns the politicians and the media, so it's literally impossible to go there too fast without a revolution. Too many Americans would be taken in by any media play to villainize a 'communist' candidate. Heck, the reason you hate Harris is partly from the efforts of the right wing media to sow division in the democrats so as to get their tax/regulation reducing guy in power. So we end up with a dem candidate who will still keep the billionaires happy. But it's a simple fact of which viable candidate was better/worse. If you can't see that Harris would have been better than trump by a lot, then you're being willfully ignorant. And there's a whole timeline issue with calling Harris a genocide supporter. At the time of the last election, Isreal was still arguably fighting Hamas who was still firing rockets daily at Israeli civilians after starting the latest escalation in the October attacks. Of course Isreal was committing human rights violations back then, as they have been for decades, but it wasn't genocide by any reasonable definition at that point. Who knows how Harris would have reacted to the increased brutality and clearly unnecessary violence by Isreal? Probably Isreal wouldn't have gone so far because of some pushback from a Harris administration. But there's no way it would be as bad as under Trump, with Isreal basically directing the U.S. military and trump encouraging the complete destruction of Gaza and now Lebanon. So the failure to vote for Harris in the simple choice of her or Trump, is a direct cause of the worst violence against the Palestinians in a long time. Not to mention just about every other issue that failing to reject trump has damaged, from abortion rights, gay/trans rights, brutality against non-citizens, brutality against peaceful protestors, removal of environment protections, removal of healthcare funding, funding for science, funding for education/libraries, relations with international allies, dramatic cost of living increases, etc. All that for some moronic inability to choose the not-as-bad candidate. We need to do better. And if we actually get an election, we need to stop splitting hairs and dividing the left and get back some power so we can then push to clean things up. It's either that or full blown revolution, but we know Americans don't have the ability to do that for various excuses.
They were still doing a genocide under joe biden. She did nothing to distance herself from the admin and the only people to blame for her loss are herself and her enablers.
Ok
While she was far from being an ideal candidate, and the Dems most definitely fumbled the entire election, let's not forget the massive Russian bot campaign amplified by the clueless tankies, spreading that bullshit "Kamala is for genocide" crap... which was loud enough to turn a large chunk of average voters away from even voting. If not for that incredibly successful propaganda campaign, Kamala would've won, just by a smidge, but she would've come out on top.
She refused to even call Israel an apartheid state, let alone use the G word. She specifically said she wouldn't do anything different than Biden did. That was her position. Can't blame bot farms for her actual position.
Not wanting to say something is hardly the same as supporting it, though, isn't it?
But that's besides the point. The very same people who took her silence as support of genocide, implied that somehow Trump would be better.
But hey, it all worked out, right? Y'all assholes have a clean conscience not voting for someone who didn't say the magic words, because it's so much fucking better right now! Oh wait, it fucking isn't because Trump isn't just dependant on the money Israel funnels into the defense companies of the US, he's literally in their fucking pocket, doing whatever the fuck Bibi wants to get out of jail free.
Perfection is the enemy of good, as this example has shown. Kamala wasn't a perfect candidate, and yes, the Dems should've picked someone better, BUT WAS IT REALLY FUCKING WORTH IT to allow Trump to won just to rub the DNC's nose into the mess they made, and essentially starting WW3 within a year of his election? Does it soothe your soul that you didn't vote for someone you were TOLD by the enemies of your state is a genocide supporter, and by that, allowing someone who directly supports genocide AND raped women - including underage ones - to win? Did you win this fucking purity test? Enjoy it then. Enjoy being king on the hill of rubble. And once the dust settles you can get a fancy pin, showing everyone how you're directly responsible for the shit the whole world is in.
In most cases, sure.
Not when it's genocide. Calling out and condemning genocide should be a no brainer.
That's not how logic works.
Magic isn't real.
And of course I voted for her. Calling her a shit candidate who deserved to loose, because she was too stupid to make a compelling case against a felon and rapist, doesn't imply anything about how I voted.
Again that's not how logic works.
She chose that silence over you, bro. All she had to do was tell Israel to fuck off. Instead, they gave missiles to a pitbull incarnated as a country.
But sure, it's everyone else's fault. Not the ones that were in charge of the country, and the military, and their own platform. Believe it or not, Kamala is her own person and can actually decide to do things, and she still decided to shit all over our hopes and dreams.
You guys treat her like some force of nature or something. Temperature and wind humidity hitting just the right spot and suddenly, Israel gets everything it wants and the election is lost.
Are the "tankies" in the room with you right now?
Yes, users like Ensign_Crab spent all day everyday screaming the "Harris is genocidal" bs every day 2 years ago. And they're still out there all day, every day being a shill for the Putin aligned green party and is remarkably silent on the atrocities of Republicans.
If the election depends on people outside your base mincing their words about your candidate maybe your candidate just sucks.
Maybe Harris shouldn’t have committed to funding Israel if she didn’t want to be viewed as a genocide supporter.
Cool, so now we have a genocide in Gaza AND we're threatening to genocide Iran. Thats so much better than what Harris was going to do.
EnsignCrab is still fighting the good fight because people like you are still simping for zionist genociders. You've learned nothing by that last betrayal of the voters and epic failure to win what should have been an easy election. You'll 100% try to lose us the next election too.
What really gets me is that people were surprised the VP of the US wouldn’t be against genocide.
It really speaks to the failure of the education system.
Do you think she won’t be vulnerable to the same strategy a second time?
So the tankies were clueless and loud enough to turn a large chunk of voters away, but also the Dems most definitely fumbled the entire election?
Which is it?
I just think it's funny how in their version of reality "tankies", a group with zero political representation in America, have any kind of sway over moderate voters.
It's truly QAnon levels of delusional.
A lot of people on many sides are terminally online. If you ask the median voting-age US citizen why they didn't vote, the only answer they can give is "I just don't really care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
I choose to read that as "neither party speaks to my situation" rather than the indifference being an accident. There are a lot of reasons to care with how politics affect, well, everything, but that doesn't mean parties are involving the masses. No, they're actually doing an excellent job alienating them.
And that's just the non-voters. The only reason people even vote is to make things less shitty, not because they feel particularly moved by either party, which proves how alienation affects even committed voters.