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They'll come demanding our votes any day now
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The number of negative and/or "just vote for democrats idiot" comments shows how brainwashed and doomed Americans really are.
Nobody's saying that voting for the just a tiny bit slightly less evil party is wrong and you shouldn't do it. What people are saying is that it will solve nothing and lead to no real change. At best it'll result in Americans being ever so slightly less abused on a daily basis. Which is of course better, but still shit. That's the main point.
To most people, it's fine to vote for liars, scumbags, criminals, and pedophiles, as long as they're the least bad available candidates. However, if you're struggling with admitting that they are indeed liars, scumbags, criminals, and pedophiles, and should be at best put in prison, then I'm sorry to say, but there may not be hope for you.
Even if Americans managed to get rid of the entire republican party, and have a government purely made of democrats, it'd still be a far-right government, one of the worst on the planet. Let that sink in. All Americans deserve better. As a matter of fact, all humans deserve a better American government, since it unfortunately impacts us all. But you're not gonna get anything close to a resonably good one by voting. It's just not happening in our lifetimes. Likely not even our children's. If you genuinely wish for a decent life, then you can either leave the country or prepare for mass riots. I know it sucks, but that's the reality Americans - and everybody else - live in.
Choosing not to vote because "both parties bad" empowers the GOP and teaches the Dems to drift right because they keep losing to conservative candidates.
You move the party left by voting in the primaries for the progressive candidates. But you also need to vote for whoever gets nominated, even if they're not progressive enough. Choosing not to vote for the Dems is beneficial to the Republicans, and supports everything that's happening right now.
If you don't vote, it's your fault that we lost
We don't owe you anything
Dems need to pick one
John Fetterman being a perfect example of this dynamic in action
If more of people bothered to fucking vote in the primaries instead of bitching about who was selected, then Fetterman wouldn't be in office.
The hard reality is we have a 2-party system and choosing to not participate doesn't accomplish anything but empower those who least-represent your interests.
fetterman ran as a progressive in his primary
The vote blew no matter who crew is who gave us Fetterman. They were willing to overlook his right-wing tendencies so that the blue team could be the fascist running things. The only purpose of the primary is to allow the party significant time to manufacture your approval for their hand selected candidate
You cannot vote your way out of fascism. You can vote in all the progressive candidates that you want and until they are deemed to not be a threat to the status quo, they will be given no positions of power to threaten the status quo. The reform bullshit lines that they give you only prolongs their existence. They promise you that change is just right around the corner. If only you stick around long enough. Karl Marx talked about these exact same scenarios in 1860 and people are still waiting on fundamental change. In the words of James Baldwin, how much time do you want for your progress?
lmao right, they rigged their primaries against Bernie's leftist populism because they were just too stupid to understand how much people want houses and healthcare, not because they're owned by capitalist oligarchs or anything
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Genocidaires and their symps get no votes, sorry. I do not care if what I do is beneficial to the Republicans over the Democrats because I do not regard them as being meaningfully worse than Democrats in their actions, only in their rhetoric. My actual goal is for my actions to be contrary to the interests of the empire, and voting for Blue MAGA is decidedly not that.
Bernie lost the primaries. They weren't "rigged". Clinton got more votes. I teach at a university, and I don't know how many kids I ran into who talked big game about supporting Sanders, but couldn't be bothered to go to their home districts and actually vote for him.
lol ok Blue MAGA
Hi friend, seems you're a little confused. 👋 Voting blue empowers the GOP. 🐘 Hope that helps 😃
Amazing how people just ignore the damage Lieberman, Feinstein, Sinema, Biden, and the Clintons have done to the party and the very idea of liberalism over the last forty years.
From raising the Confederate Flag in San Francisco to authoring the precursor of the Patriot Act to locking up millions of black and brown people for victimless crimes to good old fashioned corporate selling out, these slimeballs have worked hand in glove with their "moderate" Republican colleagues to plunder out country and commit genocide abroad.
How many times does Donald Trump have to pardon Henry Cuellar before people figure out they're all on the same team.
This comment is cuck schumer erasure
How manybtimes do people have to butch about it before voting in the fucking primaries to move the party left?
I'm in Texas so am more familiar with Texas numbers, and the good news is that Democratic participation in the primaries this year was about triple what it was for the 2022 or 2018 midterm cycles, driven by a particularly tight Senate primary that had received national attention due to the administration's reactions to Volvert and The View.
The bad news is that even with the incredible relative growth, we're looking at about 10% of registered voters engaging in the primaries.
Primaries have been hot this year precisely because lots of people are invested in seeding the next round of general elections with ideologically aligned candidates.
The problem is that it's not just progressives wrangling for control. Quite a few conservative/corporate democrats are also heavily invested in winning these races. They've got a ton of money behind them, in anticipation of Dems retaking the House in 2027. And there are a number of foreign governments all putting their own fingers on the scales to make sure their interests are represented in our World Police State run out of DC.
I've seen estimates much closer to 20-30%, depending on state. Even then, a lot of these races are very localized and not well understood thanks to the geographic and population size of the districts in question. Look at the Texas statewide races. The only candidates that got any meaningful attention were the Senate primary between Talarico (a person you probably never heard of until Colbert had him on) and Crockett (a Congresswoman largely popularized through her appearances on the Congressional investigatory committee on UAFs). The gubernatorial race - arguably the most important statewide race on the ballot - went straight under the radar. A bunch of (heavily gerrymandered) US House seats got even less attention thanks to the expensive media markets and expansive voting districts. Literally who do you vote for in the TX-35 US House race? Do you recognize any of these people? Then you've got the outright uncontested positions - Texas AG, Texas Land Commissioner, Comptroller, a bunch of judges.
I'm friends with the guy running for the railroad commissioner down in Texas, and he's an incredible progressive politician. He's got my vote 1000x over. But this is arguably the third most powerful position in the state. Rosenthal took it totally uncontested. If he wins statewide in November, it won't be thanks to an enormous campaign war chest or high name recognition. He'll ride in on a Vote Blue No Matter Who landslide.
You need large party structures to introduce people to these candidates and advocate on their behalf. In much of the US, this party structure has been neglected if not outright dismantled. This isn't a voter problem, it is a party problem. And it is one progressives/socialists can exploit, if they can rally the numbers and the financials to do it.
You can't push the party left if you never hold them accountable. Biden was literally conducting a genocide in Gaza and you people were talking about Trump is going to be worse. What the fuck is worse than death? You have trained your politicians that you don't care what they do as long as it's them doing it
Lest we forget ICE is wildly popular with corporate democrats.
These suburban democrats like Chilidogg really piss me off with how they think we aren't voting hard enough. We aren't the ones you need to lecture about primaries. It's your neighbors who say shit like "I'm fiscally conservative but socially liberal"
And don't get me started on how the DNC stole the nomination from Bernie.
no one said biden was worse, but biden loaded the gun and let the fascists start shooting.
That's my while fucking point here.
Maybe when there's a loaded gun, we should vote not to hand it to a madman.
and we shouldn't vote for the people who would load it
Clearly you don't remember Jan 6th or the Biden cabinet's failure to eject members of Congress who were acting in bad faith to push along project 2025. And don't tell me their hands were tied, because I can just point to the shit that's happening now. And that leads us back to the very start. Blue or red, they're corpo facist pedos.
I am, actually. Signing your name to greenlight internationally-recognized genocide in order to protect your own comfort - in other words, valuing your privilege above the actual lives of thousands of other human beings - is wrong and you shouldn't do it.
If you're told that's the cost to save our nation, or to avoid having to fight a fascist government, or whatever other bullshit Blue MAGA wants to sell you, the correct and moral response is, "That price is too high and I refuse."
I totally understand your sentiment and I believe a very interesting, as well as productive discussion can, and perhaps should, be made on this topic.
Of course, I have no doubts there are many people who'd completely agree with your stance. This was, however, not the main focus of the discussion, which is why I decided to leave it on the side.