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Do you really think Trump is on the same team? Do you think Kamala would have done the exact same things and killed the exact same number of people? Do you think that they would have harmed the same number of people that you claim to care for?
Because I can name like 5 things off the top of my head that Trump did that Kamala or any other Democrat would not have done that has absolutely killed more people.
And if you care about people as much as you claim, you would want them to be less harmed. Because you can STILL PROTEST things Democrats do, and people do! But Trump and MAGA, SPECIFICALLY, is killing so many more people than Democrats, many of whom align with leftist goals like women, racial minorities, and LGBTQ people.
So please tell me they are the same.
id love to have your list, just to show the democrats who supported that policy.
This is no-brain shit. It's so easy to see the differences.
Will a future Democrat disband ICE or simply turn a blind eye to what is quickly becoming a rogue paramilitary? We're watching politicians like Tim Walz and Tina Kotek roll over in the face of de facto martial law in their states. I don't see any evidence to suggest a future Democratic President will rein in ICE now, given that they were unwilling to do it under Biden or Obama.
If you haven't seen it, you aren't looking. Half of Epstein's Black Book was Democrats. Hell, Trump was a Democrat up until 2009. Hillary and Obama were both happy to turn a blind eye to human trafficking run out of Mar-a-Lago, when they needed Donald to donate a big cup of money.
Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran
How Biden pushed Israel to calibrate its strikes on Iran
Bill Clinton. Michael Bloomberg. Larry Summers. The list goes on. Epstein was another liberal mega-donor and was more than happy to gather kompromat on liberals and conservatives alike.
And, again, it cannot bare repeating enough. Donald Trump was a registered Democrat until 2009.
He was a pass-thru between Epstein and the Democratic Party - particularly Hillary Clinton, during her tenure as NY Senator. There is ample reason to believe he ran in 2016 as a cat's paw of the Hillary campaign, intending to sabotage the GOP from within.
Gavin Newsom
Eric Adams
I don't doubt it. But it looks like it's all bullshit.
So, do you want to admit that Democrats would kill less people, or not? I get you're trying to point out these issues as equivalencies, but, like that still would mean that you agree that Democrats would have killed less people because you didn't point out USAID issues, the one that has killed hundreds of thousands. So, let's pretend that these are the same (they're not, Democrats pushed for Epstein files, Newsom and Adams never executive ordered anything like Trump, Democrats are the ones pushing any amount of changes on ICE, even we both agree they're not enough), that STILL MEANS TRUMP IS KILLING MORE PEOPLE.
Would they? Who is counting?
Did Obama kill fewer people than Bush? Before Libya, I would have agreed he was the lesser evil. Afterwards, much harder to say.
Did Biden save any lives when he refused to prosecute anyone in the Trump administration after taking office?
Either way, you're not winning me over when you promise N-1 dead people.
We're talking about Trump right now, and not Bush, even though our forever wars always start under Republicans.
Trump disbanded USAID. That has killed hundreds of thousands around the globe. That, alone, should be the single most obvious difference that you talk about. Like, pretend that there wasn't a push for a ceasefire in Gaza, something that Kamala talked about constantly, or that there was some reason that Kamala would go to war with Iran. I will strongman this argument to all heck...
No Democrat would EVER DISBAND USAID. None of them. There's no reason to. And that killed hundreds of thousands on its own. Right?
MONEY PIT: The Monstrous Failure of US Aid to Afghanistan
What Democrats did with USAID was worse that disbanding it.
Moving the goal posts. Again. They would not have killed hundreds of thousands and you know it and refuse to admit it because you are unable to accept you are wrong.
Do you care about political violence or not? Do you care about people or not? Because it looks like you don't. It looks like you are okay with others dying if it somehow punishes the people you think it should punish, and it doesn't even do that right. I am sad for you, a performative leftist, because you are so easy to see through.
When presented with evidence, you shut down. You've been conditioned to give this response. If you're genuinely interested in the truth, I would suggest not to call providing sources "moving the goal post". Because at the end of the day, this response is exactly how the oligarchs keep you in line.
Every person has motives. Every rational person acts in their own self preservation. Capitalistic Oligarchs, red or blue, will maximize their control for capital. They do it because they must. The electorate votes for things they have been told are good, most will never understand the nuances of what I just said. Perhaps you are different?
I asked for policies.
please submit a list that confirms to your original comment, without the commentary.
Moving the goalposts and lying?
Please show where I said policies. Please show where I said it. I will give you infinite time, here's my comment. Please show where it is.
I don't see that. Do you? Where is it? Wanna move the goal posts again?
if you're not willing to continued civilly in good faith, we're done here.
Was that not civilly? I was just asking questions and you refused to answer them. It seems like you're the one not arguing in good faith. Please show where I wasn't arguing in good faith. Because I just showed where you weren't.
have a nice day
Why else pardon cross-party? Why have the last eight years of politics been "Lock Her Up!" / "It's Mueller Time!" with no notable federal prosecutions? Why do campaign staffers and mega-donors move so fluidly between parties as they rise and fall in popularity? Hell, you don't need the Epstein Files to get a Whose Who of high ranking officials spanning six administrations co-mingling at an exclusive resort for pedophiles. This goes back to Jack Abramoff and The Franklin Scandals. Or forget all of that and just look at how many politicians Elon Musk keeps in his back pocket.
Trump has personally operated as a bipartisan font of dubiously sourced campaign donations and kickbacks straight back to the 1980s, when he took over from his father who played the exact same games.
Harris, maybe? Although they were much closer on policy than anyone on either side of the aisle likes to admit. Any other Democrat? Trump was a Democrat. Straight into 2014. There's nothing he's done that John Fetterman or Krysten Sinema or Henry Cuellar seemed to actually disapprove of. Hell, even Hillary Clinton has remarked how she likes Trump term 2 better than term 1.
When did I ever claim to care about you people?
Death to America. Y'all are getting exactly what you deserve.
I didn't say "you people" or "us people" or "Americans". I said people. Generic. Do you just not care about people in general? Isn't that the point of leftism? You want what's best for the most people (or at least what's least bad for the least number of people)?
Or is that not true for you?
Like, leave the US and everyone in it out of the equation entirely, Trump has killed hundreds of thousands on his own by disbanding USAID alone. One of the worst forms of political violence in history for no fucking reason. That would not have happened under Kamala, bar none, full stop. That, alone, should be enough for you to want Democrats if you care about people. Non-US people.
I get that Democrats are not great, but if you truly care about people, then you should want to harm less of them. Less horrible regimes are better, regardless of what you think.