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[-] TheIvoryTower@lemmy.world 92 points 3 weeks ago

Although that is true, you were never promised a fair world.

You need to use all your cunning and what little power you have to best negotiate the one you live in. Being able to vote democrats in gave you two parties to play against each other. The option of a lesser evil.

By not voting, and allowing the republicans to stack the supreme court, non-voters gave away their last bargaining chip.

It is not the parties that will burn.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 30 points 3 weeks ago

Being able to vote democrats in gave you two parties to play against each other.

*Two parties to be played by. The existence of two parties allows the ruling class to launder their neoliberalism and/or fascism through a "legitimate" political process. If there was only one party people would actually take to the streets.

You need to use all your cunning and what little power you have to best negotiate the one you live in.

And maybe there's a way to do that better than carrying water for the "lesser evil" that ends up losing to fascists anyway? The model you're proposing has decisively failed anyway; might as well try something else.

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago

Liberal lesser evil gave us incremental fascism

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 20 points 3 weeks ago

Refusing to vote for the imperfect candidate over the literal fascist gave us fascism.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

imperfect candidate

I have to correct this: ~~imperfect candidate~~ genocider who also outright ignored that you're being robbed of your labor and you are no longer paid enough to buy food. And for added fun, the candidate doesn't have a working brain anymore.

Imperfect indeed. I wonder just how badly Democrats have to fail before you'd change your behavior.

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[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 15 points 3 weeks ago

Don't call them non voters. They made a choice and their vote is being counted by the analysts. They're neutral voters.

At the Democrat strategy meetings where they run the numbers and decide on the party platform, these people are considered part of the "apolitical" demographic. The Democrats are stupid and will move the party platform rightwards to try and appeal to them. Principles don't fix stupid.

[-] TheIvoryTower@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

To be fair, I live in a country where you can vote for a 3rd or 4th or 5th party and your vote still counts, because that's how democracy should work.

In the US, I would probably be considered one of my 'non-voters'.

[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 12 points 3 weeks ago

In the US you would be considered a nuisance by the politicians of both established parties for feebly trying to disrupt their plan to usher in fascism under the guise of free choice. We're not going to be able to work the sides against each other, because that's like trying to call out from the audience of a play to try to influence how the story ends. Their actions are designed to influence us, not the other way around. The only way voting helps in the US is to buy time to coordinate the revolution while Democrats are still playing the role of the idiot.

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[-] toad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago

"Maybe we can do a bit more genocide to find a middle ground between those who want to kill latinos and those who dont"

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[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago

Lesser evil doesn't exist, that's bs liberals tell themselves to distract from the fact they chose evil

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 17 points 3 weeks ago

Being unable to perceive a spectrum is a special kind of stupid. There are many degrees of bad, and many degrees of good.

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[-] Terrapinjoe@lemmy.world 57 points 3 weeks ago

I'd point out the work of Lina Kahn under the Biden administration as head of the FTC was very progressive until it was dismantled by the current corrupt administration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Khan

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Be that as it may, any real progressive movement is almost certainly unintentional, given the ruling parties' record on everything that isn't wholly symbolic.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 22 points 3 weeks ago
[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

The Dems rig their primaries, and not only that, they argued publicly in court that they have every right to do so.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 12 points 3 weeks ago

If that were true Analilia Mejia wouldn't have beaten Tom Malinowski. She did.

If that were true, Cuomo would've beaten Mamdani. He didn't.

If that were true Janet Mills would be winning her primary. She's not.

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[-] Wilco@lemmy.zip 42 points 3 weeks ago

Democrats need to go back to combating hypercapitalism, that portion of politics was the most popular in all of US history up until the late 1900s.

I can explain it like this: The most popular president in history is either George Washington, or Franklin D Roosevelt. Washington could have been king, but set it aside (undisputed badass). FDR was the only president in history to be elected for more than 2 terms (he was elected as president 4 times). FDR helped usher in those "magical" 95%+ tax rates on millionaires and implemented strict business and wealth restrictions. FDR'S "socialist" programs were insanely popular, even amongst non-democrats... no one could successfully run against him. We need someone like that.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Democrats need to go back to combating hypercapitalism

Guessing that, looking at their own stock portfolios and exploding wealth, and now their ability to increase it exponentially by insider betting on prediction markets, that they don't feel the urgent need to do much of anything about it beyond pretending to give a shit and then trying to curb stomp any real progressive who gains traction, like they did to Mamdani and Graham Platner.

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[-] BeardededSquidward 40 points 3 weeks ago

Vote blue no matter who after we purposely screw over the progressive candidate and put in a milque toast corporatist going after the former Tump supporter votes.

[-] adubya@feddit.online 40 points 3 weeks ago

These Republican assistants start up earlier and earlier every year with their 'Don't vote' shitick.

Notice how they never advocate for doing anything just making life worse for everyone.

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Fuck off, socialists and communists don't vote for right wing POS like Democrats or Republicans and this is a communist space.

Democrats have made our life worse by lying about who they are. They don't care about the working class, they are owned by the same bankers, CEOs, and lobbyists that own Republicans

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 15 points 3 weeks ago

Go vote in a primary instead of being a doomer

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[-] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

"They both suck so I'll just sit here, do nothing about it and complain while they go wild and unchecked. That'll show 'em!"

[-] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Who says we're doing nothing?

You think voting is the only form of working to change the world around you?

What people on the left are telling you is that voting will not fix this. You better try something different.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 points 3 weeks ago

Ah, yes, everyone who doesn't like my dear leaders is The Enemy. Where have I seen this before?

That aside, maybe you just haven't asked?

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[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago

The US is built around a party system (and typically a 2 party system). Like it or not, that's what it is. No amount of crying on the internet is going to change that.

So either burn shit in the streets, or work within the system. Bitching about it while not voting as a "protest" just puts the absolute worst shit hawks in power.

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[-] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

The number of negative and/or "just vote for democrats idiot" comments shows how brainwashed and doomed Americans really are.

Nobody's saying that voting for the just a tiny bit slightly less evil party is wrong and you shouldn't do it. What people are saying is that it will solve nothing and lead to no real change. At best it'll result in Americans being ever so slightly less abused on a daily basis. Which is of course better, but still shit. That's the main point.

To most people, it's fine to vote for liars, scumbags, criminals, and pedophiles, as long as they're the least bad available candidates. However, if you're struggling with admitting that they are indeed liars, scumbags, criminals, and pedophiles, and should be at best put in prison, then I'm sorry to say, but there may not be hope for you.

Even if Americans managed to get rid of the entire republican party, and have a government purely made of democrats, it'd still be a far-right government, one of the worst on the planet. Let that sink in. All Americans deserve better. As a matter of fact, all humans deserve a better American government, since it unfortunately impacts us all. But you're not gonna get anything close to a resonably good one by voting. It's just not happening in our lifetimes. Likely not even our children's. If you genuinely wish for a decent life, then you can either leave the country or prepare for mass riots. I know it sucks, but that's the reality Americans - and everybody else - live in.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

Choosing not to vote because "both parties bad" empowers the GOP and teaches the Dems to drift right because they keep losing to conservative candidates.

You move the party left by voting in the primaries for the progressive candidates. But you also need to vote for whoever gets nominated, even if they're not progressive enough. Choosing not to vote for the Dems is beneficial to the Republicans, and supports everything that's happening right now.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Choosing not to vote because “both parties bad” empowers the GOP

  • If you don't vote, it's your fault that we lost

  • We don't owe you anything

Dems need to pick one

John Fetterman being a perfect example of this dynamic in action

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[-] entropiclyclaude@lemmy.wtf 23 points 3 weeks ago

Every fucking day it’s anothe democrat texting me, begging me for more money I don’t have.

I don’t have $5 you fucks. You stole it when you raised my taxes, gave me shit, and then bailed out more billionaire cronies.

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[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

America is a house on fire... the Republican party is throwing gas and fireworks at it, the Democrats have no idea how to fight a fire and are not sure if it's their job to put out the fire.

You still should vote Democrat but immediately after continue to fight for complete reform

Having said that and witnessing American's reaction to their house being set on fire was basically nothing, I am not holding my breath they won't re-elect republicans and give them a bigger gas canister to finish the job

[-] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Democrats are watching it burn and enjoying the show, while pretending to care by writing strongly worded letters and slamming social media posts, so that when the time comes, they can take over the government and do nothing to improve things, because they serve the same billionaire overlords pushing fascism.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah. I called it last time a few months early.

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Too many comments asking us to vote for the "good cop.". Yes, one cop is a raging asshole punched you in yhe face, and the other cop said "im sorry he's an asshole, here have a cigarette". THEYRE BOTH TRYING TO PUT YOU IN PRISON DONT TALK TO EITHER OF THEM.

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