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id love to have your list, just to show the democrats who supported that policy.
This is no-brain shit. It's so easy to see the differences.
Will a future Democrat disband ICE or simply turn a blind eye to what is quickly becoming a rogue paramilitary? We're watching politicians like Tim Walz and Tina Kotek roll over in the face of de facto martial law in their states. I don't see any evidence to suggest a future Democratic President will rein in ICE now, given that they were unwilling to do it under Biden or Obama.
If you haven't seen it, you aren't looking. Half of Epstein's Black Book was Democrats. Hell, Trump was a Democrat up until 2009. Hillary and Obama were both happy to turn a blind eye to human trafficking run out of Mar-a-Lago, when they needed Donald to donate a big cup of money.
Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran
How Biden pushed Israel to calibrate its strikes on Iran
Bill Clinton. Michael Bloomberg. Larry Summers. The list goes on. Epstein was another liberal mega-donor and was more than happy to gather kompromat on liberals and conservatives alike.
And, again, it cannot bare repeating enough. Donald Trump was a registered Democrat until 2009.
He was a pass-thru between Epstein and the Democratic Party - particularly Hillary Clinton, during her tenure as NY Senator. There is ample reason to believe he ran in 2016 as a cat's paw of the Hillary campaign, intending to sabotage the GOP from within.
Gavin Newsom
Eric Adams
I don't doubt it. But it looks like it's all bullshit.
So, do you want to admit that Democrats would kill less people, or not? I get you're trying to point out these issues as equivalencies, but, like that still would mean that you agree that Democrats would have killed less people because you didn't point out USAID issues, the one that has killed hundreds of thousands. So, let's pretend that these are the same (they're not, Democrats pushed for Epstein files, Newsom and Adams never executive ordered anything like Trump, Democrats are the ones pushing any amount of changes on ICE, even we both agree they're not enough), that STILL MEANS TRUMP IS KILLING MORE PEOPLE.
Would they? Who is counting?
Did Obama kill fewer people than Bush? Before Libya, I would have agreed he was the lesser evil. Afterwards, much harder to say.
Did Biden save any lives when he refused to prosecute anyone in the Trump administration after taking office?
Either way, you're not winning me over when you promise N-1 dead people.
We're talking about Trump right now, and not Bush, even though our forever wars always start under Republicans.
Trump disbanded USAID. That has killed hundreds of thousands around the globe. That, alone, should be the single most obvious difference that you talk about. Like, pretend that there wasn't a push for a ceasefire in Gaza, something that Kamala talked about constantly, or that there was some reason that Kamala would go to war with Iran. I will strongman this argument to all heck...
No Democrat would EVER DISBAND USAID. None of them. There's no reason to. And that killed hundreds of thousands on its own. Right?
MONEY PIT: The Monstrous Failure of US Aid to Afghanistan
What Democrats did with USAID was worse that disbanding it.
Moving the goal posts. Again. They would not have killed hundreds of thousands and you know it and refuse to admit it because you are unable to accept you are wrong.
Do you care about political violence or not? Do you care about people or not? Because it looks like you don't. It looks like you are okay with others dying if it somehow punishes the people you think it should punish, and it doesn't even do that right. I am sad for you, a performative leftist, because you are so easy to see through.
When presented with evidence, you shut down. You've been conditioned to give this response. If you're genuinely interested in the truth, I would suggest not to call providing sources "moving the goal post". Because at the end of the day, this response is exactly how the oligarchs keep you in line.
Every person has motives. Every rational person acts in their own self preservation. Capitalistic Oligarchs, red or blue, will maximize their control for capital. They do it because they must. The electorate votes for things they have been told are good, most will never understand the nuances of what I just said. Perhaps you are different?
I asked for policies.
please submit a list that confirms to your original comment, without the commentary.
Moving the goalposts and lying?
Please show where I said policies. Please show where I said it. I will give you infinite time, here's my comment. Please show where it is.
I don't see that. Do you? Where is it? Wanna move the goal posts again?
if you're not willing to continued civilly in good faith, we're done here.
Was that not civilly? I was just asking questions and you refused to answer them. It seems like you're the one not arguing in good faith. Please show where I wasn't arguing in good faith. Because I just showed where you weren't.
have a nice day