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[-] cynar@lemmy.world 85 points 3 weeks ago

In France, the worst they will likely be met with is water cannons, tear gas, and potentially rubber bullets/beanbag rounds.

In America, it's more likely to be automatic assault rifles.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)
[-] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 36 points 3 weeks ago

Sure and that gets a wikipedia page for you to cite. You're not wrong, just heavily downplaying the problem with this whataboutism. It's not about France where this thing is an exception, but about the US where this is becoming the norm.

[-] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

On 27 June 2023, Nahel Merzouk (25 February 2006 – 27 June 2023),[1] a 17-year-old French youth of Moroccan and Algerian descent,[2] was shot at point-blank range and killed by police officer Florian M., when he did not comply with an order to stop and instead attempted to drive away in Nanterre, a suburb of Paris, France. Initial reporting on the incident (informed by police statements) was later contradicted by a video posted online, which led to widespread protests and riots. Symbols of the state such as town halls, schools, police stations, and other buildings were attacked.[3] The Interior Ministry reported that more than 5,000 vehicles had been set on fire, along with 10,000 garbage cans; nearly 1,000 buildings had been burnt, damaged or looted; 250 police stations and gendarmeries had been attacked; and more than 700 police officers had been injured.[4][5]

The killing—condemned by President Emmanuel Macron as "inexplicable" and "inexcusable"[6]—became part of a broader public debate regarding aggressive French law enforcement,[7] racial profiling,[8] immigration,[9] and the stakes of naming the subsequent suburban violence "rioting" rather than "revolts".[10] On 28 June, the president of the National Assembly, Yaël Braun-Pivet, asked deputies "to respect a minute of silence in Nahel's memory".[11][12]

Police kill someone in France:
Massive violent protests, burning police stations and police cars
Incident condemned by government

Police kill someone in the USA:
Nonviolent protests
Government defends the killer

[-] rockstarmode@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

automatic assault rifles

This is redundant, by definition all assault rifles have auto or burst fire modes. Anyone (including lawmakers) in the US who claims otherwise is incorrect.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not American. I'm only aware of them in passing. It's not the sort of thing we learn about in school, over here.

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

I learned about this stuff from video games. The MA5B is full auto.

[-] MBech@feddit.dk 3 points 3 weeks ago

You may be right, I don't know shit about guns, but relying on information from a video game is not the smartest. The person deciding on what mechanics the different guns have, may not know anything about the topic.

[-] discocactus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah that's not true. Semiautomatic assault rifles are very common in the US, more available by far than full auto.

[-] gukleszl4hs48ughgxhr5xgd@fedia.io 5 points 3 weeks ago

Assault rifles have select fire, by definition.

[-] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 3 weeks ago

Burst fire is not available on civilian models out of the box in the US

[-] rockstarmode@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Those are not assault weapons. Any legislator who says so is wrong.

If they want to ban weapons, fine, but use the correct terminology.

[-] Cort@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

What about burst fire?

[-] wpb@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

... AND THE HOOOME OF THE BRAAAAAVE

[-] JennyLaFae 12 points 3 weeks ago

French cops: using less lethals according to the manual.

'Merica cops: point blank, headshots (unless you're preggers), gas the kids

[-] stormdelay@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago

If you think french cops follow the manual I have a bridge to sell you

[-] JennyLaFae 9 points 3 weeks ago

checks the Internet search engine

American police are significantly more lethal, with fatal shooting rates in 2019 being 22 times higher (3.1 per million) than in France (0.14 per million).

... ... I dunno, that feels like a pretty significant difference

[-] stormdelay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

That still doesn't mean french cops are not also dangerous during protests. I'm not trying to say they're more dangerous than your brown shirts, I'm saying that protesting also isn't risk free in France, and claiming that french cops follow the rules is simply incorrect.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 3 weeks ago

Protests are famously attractive for the kind of person who enjoys hurting others, on both sides. Difference is that only one side can hurt others while being protected by the system.

[-] ChexMax@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

When you look at the damage French protests cause vs the violence they incite in cops, it's relatively safe compared to the violence us cops perpetrate in retribution to completely peaceful protests in the us, or even just violence top bystanders in the US. Add in that French protests actually accomplish something and the risk benefit calculations are so totally different.

[-] stormdelay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

If you've only experienced french protests through international medias, you probably have a very skewed view of both the actual damage they create and their effectiveness.

[-] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

They're all full of stories and excuses because none of them can figure out how to do anything beyond going out for a walk every couple months.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

It occurs to me, pregnant women who want abortions in states where it is illegal should just go to a protest…

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 weeks ago

I get what you're saying, but if you ask me, being murdered by a fascist is a rather drastic method of abortion..

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