Move over TESCREAL, R9PRESENTATIONALism is here. (archive.is)

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As found by @gerikson here, more from the anti anti TESCREAL crowd. How the antis are actually R9PRESENTATIONALism. Ottokar expanded on their idea in a blog post.

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I have not read the bigger blog post yet btw, just assumed it would be sneerable and posted it here for everyone's amusement. Learn about your own true motives today. (This could be a troll of course, boy does he drop a lot of names and thinks that is enough to link things).

E: alternative title: Ideological Turing Test, a critical failure

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[-] aio@awful.systems 14 points 23 hours ago

Hochman correctly deduces that R9PRESENTATIONALism originated in the 18th century, but fails to realize that the roots of this movement actually lie with the Bavarian Illuminati, a secret society which was supposedly suppressed by edict in 1784 but has in fact maintained a shadowy existence influencing politics up to the present day.

[-] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 1 hour ago

I know this is a shit post but I think we should probably spare some thought for the connection between Adam Weishaupt and modern technofascist grifters in the sense of trying to profit from building a social club/identity around a set of ideas that are broadly popular among a subset of wealthy elites but not necessarily powerful in wider society. Given their shared (professed) allegiance to the enlightenment and progress I cannot see him being anything other than proud of what Lighthaven or MIRI have accomplished in the field of separating people from their money.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 2 points 58 minutes ago

The Behind The Bastards podcast had a sequence of episodes looking at the idea of The Illuminati (from Weishaupt, through anti-Masonic panics, Discordianism, and the idea’s inglorious most recent resting place, Qanon), and their summary of Weishaupt’s organisation was that it was a grift: an organisation whose ostensible purpose was to provide an endless ladder of “esoteric knowledge” the idle rich would pay to climb, with its actual “inner teachings” being the advancement of controversial ideas like secularism and human rights, which many of the marks climbing the ladder would have doubtlessly found objectionable, so they were palmed off with recycled alchemy/kabbalah and secret codes.

[-] jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 21 hours ago

I think we could count discordianism as an antirationalist ally

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 14 hours ago

Most people on discord hate Rationalism.

[-] corbin@awful.systems 9 points 19 hours ago

We aren't. Speaking for all Discordians (something that I'm allowed to do), we see Rationalism as part of the larger pattern of Bureaucracy. Discordians view the cycle of existence as having five stages: Chaos, Discord, Confusion, Bureaucracy, and The Aftermath. Rationalism is part of Bureaucracy, associated with villainy, anti-progress, and candid antagonists. None of this is good or bad, it just is; good and bad are our opinions, not a deeper truth.

Now, if you were to talk about Pastafarians, then you'd get a different story; but you didn't, so I won't.

[-] jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 12 hours ago

You almost talk as if you are a pope or something.

I see you, I believe rationalism would be seen as more aneristic and so many discordians would naturally turn against them. thoudh ultimately their frame of reference is no better or worse than any other. So let me amend my statement꧇ I believe the average disqordian would find themselves in opposition to rationalism.