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R/trans is a fucking mess
(lemmy.world)
Not me, but if you’ve been following the drama, they removed this post about the unique issues we face as “divisive.”
It fucking sucks. There’s been a lot of discussion in other trans masc spaces about “transandrophobia” and this seems to absolutely demonstrate it. We aren’t treated seriously in spaces that should be welcoming for us.
People assume “trans” means trans woman. Spaces for trans people are often for trans women. Jamison Green wrote a while back about us not really having our own community, decades ago, and it still feels true today.
There is a PhD in here somewhere about how deeply rooted patriarchal influences are even within the queer community.
Trans men aren’t taken seriously because they were AFAB.
Trans women control trans spaces because they were AMAB.
Isn't that just "trans women have male privilege" with a coat of paint? I've been in plenty of trans spaces that are dominated by transmascs; I think it's more because Reddit has historically attracted a lot of men, so those who transition end up on trans subreddit. It's not wise to make assumptions about what every queer community is like, especially when it comes to saying trans women have an advantage. For example, back in the day on Tumblr, Tumblr attracted a lot of women, particularly in fandom/fanfic communities (ex. the classic "i really like m/m slashfic, almost like i relate to it or something"), so the community was often dominated by people who weren't transfem, and this led to serious problems with transmisogyny at times.
I think we need to be extremely careful about word choice and examining the underlying sentiments when talking about anything that goes anywhere near ‘trans women have male privilege.’ I’m not saying that’s what you’re doing or that you believe that, but arguments that hinge on gender essentialism (which I believe a lot of the AMAB/AFAB ‘discourse’ winds up being/turns into) should be avoided. Both because gender essentialism in general is a flawed lens to view the world with, and because I don’t think I’ve ever once seen a productive conversation about it. At least not online.
I’m a trans guy and I’ve seen the kind of behavior in the OP online for around 20 years and I have no hope it will stop any time soon. It’s depressing AF and the only solution I’ve found is to drop spaces that tolerate that like a hot potato. That’s a lot of potato dropping, but it’s better than hanging around a space with people who make you miserable.
I am effectively saying that trans women have pseudo vestiges of male privilege.
It’s just a thesis statement though, I don’t know if that actually holds water. Feel free to challenge that.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that gender essentialism is bunk.
However just because it is bunk doesn’t mean people don’t unconsciously bias themselves and perpetuate it.
I think if that were the case we'd see enbies who were AMAB holding more privilege in queer spaces but that doesn't tend to be the case. If anything, they are one of the most overlooked groups.
i'd like to see more than "i don't know if it holds water", especially since you don't couch it nearly as well in your previous post bringing it up
a thesis is on the onus of who brings it up to substantiate it; if you can't defend it, i would question the wisdom of bringing it up in an already contentious conversation
I mean I’d have to flesh out an essay to really make a conclusion either way.
Sorry if my assertion offended you that wasn’t the intent.
"trans women are basically just guys with long hair but idk I'm just throwing out vibes so you can't say I'm on some dumb shit"
> frames point in terms of AGAB language > point is essentialist bullshit that equates to "trans women are functionally men and trans men are functionally women"
Every time. Fuck off.
We are mad at the evil AMABs right now sweaty, it's not the time to look at how we frame things.
@Walk_blesseD I'm just here to compliment your minthara profile pic. Fire :painting_nails_with_fire:
Thanks, I stole it from reddit