content warning, I'm going to be glib and talk about misogyny and transphobia in a joking manner - I don't mean to harm anyone, and I don't want to upset anyone.
OK hear me out: trans-exclusionary radical feminists, at least the actual radfems who are often middle-aged and still stuck in second-wave feminism, should love gender-affirming care ... doesn't it do exactly what they would love to do to men? Like, a lot of these women are cultural feminists, they essentialise men and women and view women as superior and men as inherently violent, oppressive, and bad. At least that's been my experience.
So, for example, if a man wants to suppress testosterone and take estrogen, shouldn't TERFs' fear about violence from men and the (admittedly simplistic) narrative that testosterone is responsible for that violence and aggression motivate them to embrace enabling as many men as possible to suppress their testosterone and chemically castrate themselves with estrogen?
Even if they don't believe that makes the man a woman, shouldn't they believe it's an improvement?
It just sounds like a revenge fever-dream concocted by second-wave lesbian separatist: a woman goes about secretly injecting abusive men with estrogen to calm them down ... it just sounds like a revenge fantasy they would be into.
The plot of The Gate to Women's Country literally centers around this fantasy of castrating men to make "good" men.
And if that's not compelling, I know they love the stories about chopping off dicks - come on, if they really believe trans women are a bunch of men, shouldn't they support access to gender-affirming care like vaginoplasties that do exactly that?
TERFs should support gender-affirming care even if they don't believe trans women are women. If men are the enemy they should be the biggest fans of chemically castrating and cutting the dicks off men.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
I just want to point out that there is nowhere on the fediverse where a person can ask these questions and the op started the conversation by accusing feminists of my age group of being terfs.
!asktransgender@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I think anything remotely construed as terf would fail their respect rule. Trans support is an all or nothing here.
Respect in that context is more about showing that you're asking questions in good faith. Disrespectful behavior would be calling trans women men, saying that gender affirming care is harmful, etc.
I never said any such thing. I fully affirm gender affirming care as healthcare and i want my aussie tax dollars to pay for it.
I definitely wasn't trying to imply that you had. I think a post you make about these subjects would most likely be allowed there.
Yes I definitely recognize that this post was indirectly opening up this kind of conversation, I would not have been as open to engaging if this had been on another post. That's not a slight against you, just that rather not all trans people are willing/capable of engaging in prolonged dialogs about whether or not they are who they say they are. It can actually hurt being questioned in this way and is something trans people are expected to do a lot.
As the comment below shared, the asktransgender community would be a better place to have this kind of dialog.
I never questioned anyone's identity. Show where i did? I have never dead named or claimed a woman is a man or vice versa. I acknowledge that trans women are women, i also admit to confusion since it changes my own identity. The op attacked feminists like me and thays why i responded. I usually say nothing.
I didn't intend to imply that you had, I was just saying as an example of why we are weary of people outside our community asking questions in our community and why we generally do not allow these kinds of discussions. I believe through the conversation we've had here you've shown an interest in learning more about us and are acting in good faith. If I thought that you were trying to call us men or anything like that this conversation would've ended a while ago.