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Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 69 points 5 days ago

hey pro-Palestinian lemmings! where y'all at?

this is why you wouldn't vote for Harris, right? when does he stop the killing again?

#when does it stop??

[-] FantasticDonkey@reddthat.com 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Palestinian here, not in the US. So Harris would have done genocide but without more 2000 pound bombs. Trump does it with them.

Your voters couldn’t decide against genocide, they could only decide with which weapons it will be continued. You guys have a problem.

Edit: greetings to the Lemmy Hasbara division. Responses are kinda wild, didn’t expect this. I should post more here.

[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago

Biden already sent 14,000 of those bombs so you’re wrong. Both candidates are pro genocide.

I was hopeful about the peace deal with the Muslim countries signing on but as usual our politicians flood everything with shit so no one knows that’s up or down.

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[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Non American here. Both your parties are genocide and apartheid supporters. Simple as that.

Yea, one of the two is more than the other. But you got to come to terms with the fact that your country's bipartisan effect in the region is kinda evil.

Lol, down vote all you like. I'm just telling the truth.

[-] prole 18 points 5 days ago

Everyone here agrees with you, dawg... We just understand our country's political system enough to know which was the correct choice to mitigate that evil.

People made the wrong choice.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

You know how we say that Israel is going to continue with apartheid and colonization even if Netanyahu is voted out? And that focusing too much on Netanyahu is sometimes a red herring because Israeli Apartheid is structural and a long term strategic goal of the Israeli establishment? Like, sure Netanyahu accelerates the process and does it shamelessly and publicly, but it's not as if the process had not been in full swing by both center-left and center-right governments before him, who massively expanded settlements and entrenched the occupation and settlements.

Same logic applies for the US support of Israeli Apartheid. Your system moves faster and more overtly when controlled by your fascist Right. But I'm not going to pretend that your non-fascist Center is not basically moving in the same direction.

Just because your political system puts a gun to your heads every four years, doesn't mean the rest of us have to buy into the same blackmail. (EDIT: we have other blackmails foisted on us by our own assholes thank you very much.)

[-] prole 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Just because your political system puts a gun to your heads every four years, doesn't mean the rest of us have to buy into the same blackmail.

Yeah but unfortunately for you, you do. Or even worse, you have no say whatsoever.

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[-] dx1@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I think of the millions of "pro-Palestinian lemmings", there were all of like five that said Trump would help. Everyone else looked soberly at the bipartisan support for genocide, which you seem unwilling to acknowledge.

I think the tally at this point is about 30 billion dollars worth of arms sent to "Israel" since Oct '23. 99% of that under Biden. Breaking domestic and international law in doing so. That is the largest foreign benefactor of the U.S., a fundamentally apartheid state engaged in genocide for 77 years, more brutally and unashamedly than ever before since '23. Again, this is violating the Leahy Law, U.S. domestic prohibitions on the commission or complicity in genocide, the UN Genocide Convention, likely the Geneva Conventions, and other international law. I would love for someone with your stance to explain why Biden engaged in this, because I think you're just floundering trying to describe this situation without that key piece of information.

Hope that helps. Not sure why you are looking to excuse complicity in genocide by drawing a D/R division where there really is not one. IMO what you're doing in posting this is extremely immoral and I urge you to reconsider your views.

P.S.:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28

WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - The Biden administration has sent to Israel large numbers of munitions, including more than 10,000 highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs and thousands of Hellfire missiles, since the start of the war in Gaza, said two U.S. officials briefed on an updated list of weapons shipments.

Between the war's start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

As someone who's actually been following the individual arm shipments, the implication that there is any difference is literally insane. Biden was shoveling coal into the genocide engine as fast as humanly possible.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

No one said Trump would stop it. We said that Biden/Harris shouldn't be enabling it.

And that made centrists very, very angry.

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28/

When would the killing stop under biden (or harris who was happy to continue his policies)? Pausing one fucking shipment isn't the amazing stand for life that you think it is. Sure though, blame it all on Palestine and not the democrats refusing to listen to voters (on many issues, not just this one) during a fucking election. I'm sure if the other pro-genocide candidate got in, we'd all be living in fucking paradise.

[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I hope your path of reasoning works out, but I fear Trump would even allow Israel to throw nuclear weapons at Palestine... just for shits and giggles of his fan base to see if Israel really would.

They will drive Israel to the limit of atrocious crimes they allow ... and use this to prosper antisemitic sentiment everywhere else. That's my prognosis, let's see who is closer to the truth.

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

the killing stopped under Biden now.

the killing stopped under Harris now.

#when will the killing stop under Trump?

tell us! when?? we were told it would stop of Harris lost!

[-] dx1@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Nobody told you the killing would stop if Trump won. The minority of people in the U.S. who have a serious problem with genocide (enough to push them to action) mostly expressed extreme disillusionment at a political system where genocide has become acceptable enough to vote for across a broad majority of the population, and an unwillingness to support anyone responsible.

Your logic of "one genocide supporter would be worse than the other" is not compelling to anyone who's thought about it for more than a few minutes.

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[-] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I'm here but I'm not United Statesian so I can't vote in your elections (even though US foreign influence is so aggressive it feels like I should have a say).

Oh no, I've upset some MAGA weirdos. Gonna lose sleep over that.

[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Harris would have done the same thing

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