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Trump to lift pause on 2,000-pound bomb supply to Israel, Walla News reports
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Biden, not once, ever, stated "full throated support for genocide".
Removed for misinformation.
At no point did Biden ever, once, tell Israel to continue killing Palestinians. The support was provided for defense from Iran, full stop.
October 25th, 2023: https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-criticizes-extremist-settlers-west-bank-2023-10-25/
August 1st, 2024:
https://www.jns.org/biden-reaffirms-support-for-israeli-self-defense-against-iran-in-call-with-netanyahu/
November 26th, 2024:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-says-israel-has-right-to-self-defense-if-hezbollah-or-anyone-else-breaks-deal/
What Israel chose to do with that support is on Israel, not Biden.
Removed again for misinformation and temp banned.
This is an awfully subjective political opinion to be moderating on.
It's not subjective. Biden's opinion on Israel is matter of fact stated and quoted multiple times.
Subjectively, I find it incredibly naive (especially for a President), but it's not the same as Biden dropping the bombs himself which is how the "buh buh gEnOcIdE!" folks are playing it.
In the end, we now have a President whose only opinion* is Israel didn't commit the genocide fast enough.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html
“They’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
That's what a pro-genocide President looks like.
* That's unfair, he's also of the opinion that a ruined Gaza is a great beachfront development opportunity.
https://youtu.be/gSoT22pCBGM
I quoted the subjective opinion. "I just gave the murderer a gun, and told him to only use it for legitimate self-defense" isn't a situation where most people would consider the gun-giver to have no moral responsibility for a future killing. If you think it is, that's an unusual but valid opinion, but calling that an objective fact is not true.
That doesn't work as a matter of international law.
For example, we have had multiple instances where we provided civil aid to a country only to have it confiscated and misappropriated by a corrupt government, that doesn't mean we stop sending aid.
You're not the Hague and law is not morality. Taking the stance that a "plz don't use for genocide" note absolves the United States of responsibility is a subjective stance. You can carry on an argument for why you think that should be the case, but you shouldn't be moderating because someone does not hold your view.
And none of your examples apply in the least to sending weapons to Israel post invasion. They're using our weapons to do genocide, the same people are in power, and the weapons are being used out in the open as official acts by the government.
The fact of the matter is that Israel is (correctly) being blamed by the ICC, NOT America.
Not that it matters what the ICC says anyway, but that's an entirely different problem.
The real problem is Israel doesn't need our help exterminating Gazans, they never have. They didn't need our help starting the blockade back in the 90s, they didn't need our help killing people immediately following Oct. 7, and their snipers don't need our help killing kids today in violation of the cease fire.
https://lemmy.world/post/24563168
The notion that it would have all stopped except for Biden's aid is a child-like understanding of what's been happening over there and the knee-jerk lemmy reaction of "US bad".
This is a fine subjective argument you're making. You keep coming back to this with your opinion on responsibility and not addressing that this is your opinion on a subjective subject (how responsibility is divided between an actor and someone who has supported them). There's lots of interesting moral philosophy about the subject.
What it isn't is objective truth. No amount of arguing is going to change that. You might theoretically even change my opinion, but it's never going to become an objective truth that justifies moderating someone saying "Biden supported genocide" as misinformation.
Again, not subjective. The ICC has charged Israel, not the United States, not Biden.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/11/israel-opt-netanyahu-gallant-and-al-masri-must-face-justice-at-the-icc-for-charges-of-war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity/
If the US were to blame for the Genocide, the ICC would have charged Biden right alongside Netanyahu just like they charged Putin over Ukraine, they did not.
But, like I say, it doesn't really matter as the ICC rulings have no enforcement. Would be nice!
JFC dude. The ICC is not the arbiter of people's legitimate moral philosophy and you are not a judge at the Hague. You can't export your moral (or moderation) judgement to the court system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
Are you really trying to claim that USA supported israel without knowing they would have leveled gaza?
No, I'm saying Biden stated, repeatedly, he was providing support for the legitimate defense of Israel, for which he was a full supporter.
October 25th, 2023: https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-criticizes-extremist-settlers-west-bank-2023-10-25/
August 1st, 2024:
https://www.jns.org/biden-reaffirms-support-for-israeli-self-defense-against-iran-in-call-with-netanyahu/
November 26th, 2024:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-says-israel-has-right-to-self-defense-if-hezbollah-or-anyone-else-breaks-deal/
What Israel chose to do with that aid is on THEM, not Biden.
Biden knew what Israel would have done, because they have been doing the same thing (over and over again) when given weapons.
I suggest getting a .world admin in on this.
You should not be moderating and banning based on your anger and subjective opinion.
Again, Biden's direct quotations are not subjective. He legitimately believes that Israel has the right to defend themselves and supplied support to do that.
Israel misappropriated that support.
Biden acted in good faith, Israel did not.
I don't see how it's any plainer than that.
Was Biden STUPID to do it? Absolutely. That doesn't mean he's the one engaging in genocide, Israel is.
Nobody told you the killing would stop if Trump won. The minority of people in the U.S. who have a serious problem with genocide (enough to push them to action) mostly expressed extreme disillusionment at a political system where genocide has become acceptable enough to vote for across a broad majority of the population, and an unwillingness to support anyone responsible.
Your logic of "one genocide supporter would be worse than the other" is not compelling to anyone who's thought about it for more than a few minutes.
Spoiler Alert: Biden gave them over FOURTEEN THOUSAND 2000lb bombs.
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If you can ignore what the Biden presidency has done for the last two years, why can't you ignore what Trump hasn't done?
Got a little TDS or is the BlueMAGA brainrot claiming you?
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No, I get off to fantasy that the smoothbrains who voted for either of grifting corporate parties finally see that progress does not happen when democrats or republicans are in office.
My fantasy is that I can wake up and not see people fighting and fawning over two people and parties who don't care about the average American.
My fantasy is seeing the day reason and logic take over vibez and feelz. Most people have at best 3rd grade reading comprehension, and they post those confused ideas on messageboards pontificating words and scenarios that they don't understand while ignoring the most basic historical facts of the situation.
But yes Trump bad. Biden and Harris worse.