Well, would you look at that, third-party protest voters / abstainers / "undecideds": you saved Palestine. /s
The undecideds are about as dumb as the maggots. They were told, over and over, that they were effectively voting for a fascist. But they couldn’t imagine that the leopard would eat their faces. Now, that fucking guy will make “Genocide Joe” look like a god damn saint.
Refusing to hold Democrats accountable is also voting for Fascism. If your vote is 100% reliable to the Dems, they don't have to do anything to win your vote. And thus, they can completely ignore you and everything you care about. The Dems have moved so far to the right that modern Republican Fascism doesn't seem completely unreasonable to many people by comparison. After all, Democrats firmly embraced what was far-right immigration policy just a few years ago. Democrats have made a hard turn to the right. This has forced Republicans to move even further right into Fascism. And if things continue down this path, with Democrats never being held accountable, eventually both Democrats and Republicans will be overtly Fascist.
That is what happens if a party is never held accountable.
That’s a good point. My vote was pragmatic over principle. The dems need to be held accountable, but they won’t. There needs to be a major overhaul of the party, but realistically I don’t see that happening any time soon. For the foreseeable future this is what we are stuck with.
That whole be the change thing is horseshit in this day and age.
So hold them accountable for literally any other office besides president when the opponent is a literal fascist?
Are Republicans going to stop being Fascist at any time in the foreseeable future? They ran a fascist in 2016, 2020, and 2024. And they have a long line of potential future candidates.
"Don't hold them accountable while running against a fascist" == "never hold them accountable."
And there's no point in going after officers other than the president on this issue. It's not like governors have much control over foreign policy.
The primaries are where the accountability should happen. For the vast, vast majority of elections in the US the winner will be either the Democratic candidate or Republican candidate. And you can turn in primary ballot without voting for any of the candidates. Your participation is then a matter of public record, and campaign managers will be inclined to try and win your vote.
edit - you can also become an actual party member, maybe even a delegate, and vote on leadership.
If by saving, they meant "it literally won't exist" anymore, then yeah. 2000 pound bombs are good for leveling entire city blocks.
Most of Gaza is already leveled and uninhabitable. They didn't need 2000 pound bombs.
Yes leftists are the problem. Not the half of the country that willingly and happily voted for this.
Edit: Is there even any evidence that having protest voters vote for Kamala would’ve changed anything? Since I’m getting dogpiled here I want to clarify I was not a protest voter but everyone on Lemmy and Reddit keeps sharing this exact same sentiment
I voted for Kamala, but you have to be pretty dense to think that there is any meaningful difference between how Kamala and Trump would have handled Palestine. They're both full-on Zionists. Giving them some bigger bombs won't change things much. They already flatten entire neighborhoods at a whim.
If two candidates will likely both be abominable on an issue you care about, you might as well vote to hold the one representing the party that has already committed genocide accountable.
you have to be pretty dense to think that there is any meaningful difference between how Kamala and Trump would have handled Palestine
Kamala called for a ceasefire.
Trump said Biden should "Let [Israel] go and let [Israel] finish it." and now he's saying we're going to give Israel bigger bombs to do it while removing economic sanctions on Israeli occupiers.
How can you say there is no meaningful difference?
Not to beat the dead horse but... Those who said "I won't vote Democratic because Gaza" were either lying or delusional.
In 2028 there won't be any Gaza, what will be the next line?
This is the tragic truth.
The most frustrating part about it is that withholding votes was framed as a principled position. And I’m sorry, but that’s asinine. How many of those people who declared that they wouldn’t vote for the democratic ticket because of their action/inaction on Gaza actually did anything more than posting rants on social media? How many raised funds for aid? How many organized rallies, protests, or educational outreach? How many even so much as contacted their representatives?
It is either naivety or complacency to believe that national policy should change just because you and your friends sent around some memes. And it is callous indifference to base your vote on a single issue and then claim that you’re inhabiting the moral high ground.
If you yell into the void, you shouldn’t expect a response. And if you believe in an issue, either take action or acknowledge that it would be staggeringly arrogant to expect other people to put in work that you yourself won’t do.
I think most of them were state sponsored psyops or really shit trolls. I don't think most actual real marginally rational thinking people would have such a dumb af take.
I can't find the will to make a leopards/faces joke about this. This is exactly what we told people who wouldn't vote for Harris because of "gEnOcIdE jOe" bullshit.
Biden made real efforts to prevent the Israeli government from committing genocide. They failed, but they tried. Now we've got an absolute monster in charge who is going to outright empower the genocide.
If you voted for Trump, voted for a third party, or refused to vote... FUCK YOU. You own this.
Biden made real efforts to prevent the Israeli government from committing genocide.
Okay I don't have the energy to refute to this stuff anymore, so lemme just ask: Do you seriously believe the president of the united states, the single largest benefactor of Israeli regional hegemony, doesn't have the ability to enforce its own laws and prevent violations of international law by its protectorate?
It's a much, much more complicated situation than you're presenting. Biden was trying to thread the needle between "deny Israel weaponry" (end result: Opportunistic invasion by Israel's neighbors) and "give Netanyahu all the weapons he wants" (end result: what we're about to see with these gigantic, city-block-destroying bombs).
How would you do it?
what we're about to see with these gigantic, city-block-destroying bombs
About to see?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28/
Its not complicated at all when multiple international human rights organizations credibly found Isreal was committing war crimes and the US already has a law preventing the sale of arms to nation's credibly accused of war crimes. Biden was the cheif executive all he had to do was execute a law that was already on the books. Neither the SC nor Congress would have had any say.
Stop carrying water for genocide financiers who had every opportunity to do something different.
Biden did not try. Palestinians were doomed either way
This article is literally about one of Biden's efforts to rein in the violence. He did try. Now go ahead and excuse Trump freeing up 2,000-pound bombs for Israel, and how that's better for Palestine than it would be if Harris had won. Good luck.
Wow, that's surely going to both get the price of eggs down AND stop the genocide of Palestinians! How does he do it?
I mean there are two ways to stop the genocide. You can stop killing people or you can, how did he put it? "Finish the problem"
Hehe. As planned. Thanks to people who refused to vote for Kamala. Leopards don’t see political parties, all faces taste the same.
Good thing all those "Genocide Joe" voters abstained from the election
Something bad could have happened to those Palestinians
Good job
Whoa whoa "Genocide Joe" where did you come from where did you go, where did you come from "Genocide Joe."
Crickets
I am just here waiting for the “Free Palestine” folks to show us the way with some real radical activism.
After Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris, we have Destroying Donnie. Too bad #destroyingdonnie won't be amplified by Xitter like the previous two was, to try to sway voters.
"We did it Patrick, we saved Palestine!" - Tankies right now
Where is this take simultaneously coming from for everyone?
Guys. NOBODY. THOUGHT. TRUMP. WAS. BETTER. Now we can finally acknowledge that the American so-called "left" political party is so obscenely fucked that they're complicit in genocide? Literally the hallmark of Nazi Germany? Perhaps we as a people do not really have a lot of choice going on, and impotently choosing between two fascist parties election after election is not going to gradually bring us to democratic reform?
Trump is so much worse than Harris and Biden though. He lifted this ban, recognizes the settlements and will prevent any other free election that could better things in the future. So if you didnt vote for Harris you didnt just completely doom palestinians but also your country.
He lifted this ban,
I'll say it again. Biden sent FOURTEEN THOUSAND of these bombs already - and that was as of 7 months ago. Enough to literally wipe out half of the population of Gaza.
recognizes the settlements
The fact that you'd say this without specifying which ones really speaks to how little you know about this. The Golan Heights, which the Biden admin already calls as "Israel"? East Jerusalem & the West Bank, which the Clinton admin bantustan-ized in the Oslo Accords and which every subsequent admin recognizes the Palestine side of even less? The Biden administration does not recognize the international consensus on "Israel" having the pre-1967 borders. They don't recognize Palestine, at odds with the international consensus. The entire country was literally formed by ethnic cleansing in the first place. The Biden administration did like three token sanctions on random West Bank settlers, with no recognition that state officials were behind the policy of annexation and the complicity of the military in it.
And what "free election"? 8 years of Biden & Obama admins came and went. The last election in Palestine was under BUSH, and the official U.S. policy, after Hamas (which is a political party, mind you) won a majority of seats in the parliamentary runoff election, was to support the Palestinian Authority in overthrowing the results of the election in an illegal coup, resulting in the civil war that left Hamas in power in Gaza. The U.S. rejection of the election results has been the norm across Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1, and Biden. Not to mention that the entire premise of an election - democracy - is at odds with the fundamentally Jewish supremacist nature of "Israel", a state founded on ethnic "purism", exclusion, apartheid and genocide of an indigenous population, and endless regional expansionist warfare. The U.S. policy is "we accept a complete racial divide and military occupation based on the supremacy of that race in the region, but oh yeah, we'd love if the underclass might eventually have elections or something....I mean, as long as they vote for who we want".
So if you didnt vote for Harris you didnt just completely doom palestinians but also your country.
You think because, out of all the non-Trump voters, your group was in the majority, that everyone who didn't side with you must have been wrong. But you voted for an absolute monster and psychopath, as willfully complicit in genocide as Biden (who you would have voted for also) was. You people split the vote from candidates who aren't complicit in mass murder, and you still have the gall to accuse everyone else of being the problem. The person you voted for was so far beneath the standards of a free and decent society that some of us couldn't even stomach it (and not even enough to swing the election, mind you).
It's always the refrain of people doing something horribly immoral, that anybody taking the higher road is just doing "virtue signalling" or "preaching their moral purity". This is just rationalization. You cannot confront your own faults, the deep, horrific faults of your society, so you blame the few lone dissenters who realize that absolute fundamental change is the only path out of this. The 1% of people who voted De la Cruz or Stein did not decide the outcome of this election. 98% of you voted for an absolute monster.
Now what is the point of a representative democracy? We pick the candidate that will do the best by us. Right? You have all completely abandoned that premise. Every election, a D and an R run, one of them wins, they do absolutely whatever they want, and as long as you think the Republicans are even 0.0001% worse, you'll vote for the D. You never abandon that group. This completely sacrifices any power the people have, because we don't have federal referendums, we don't have non-FPTP elections, we don't have recalls, we don't have no confidence votes, we don't have null votes, we ONLY get to vote in these elections, and our single power to control this system is completely neutered. All they have to do is find a single issue where they even SOUND better than the Republicans on, and they can be as absolutely corrupt as they want.
Why do you not blame the ~48% Democrat voters for not gathering behind a candidate who isn't a war criminal? Or the ~49% Trump voters? Does it not cause any self-reflection that the crime of all crimes, genocide, is no longer a red line for you in a politician? What is your long-term strategy to bring this genocidal system back under the control of the people - voting for the people who are operating it, without question, forever? Cause I don't think that's gonna work.
Yea but at least we don't have GeNOCiDe JoE and that damn BlUemAgA in power!!!/S
As it turns out, there are about 2,000 pounds of difference between Republicans and Democrats.
To the Muslim MAGA voters, that's 2000 lbs, multiples, of Fuck Around and Find Out.
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