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Mozilla is a sinking ship.
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It's too bad making a decent web browser is such a massive undertaking so there aren't literally thousands of alternatives to choose from. :/
And they're all chromium under the hood. The illusion of free choice.
As it stands today Mozilla is the only thing keeping google from being labeled a browser monopoly, but man can Mozilla let go of the footgun for once.
Mozilla and Safari.
Ah Safari, the IE8.5 of modern browsers...
The "best" argument I've heard recently for that heap of shit? The extensions have the best UI integration! Lol
People do so much bending over backwards to excuse every shitty thing apple does.
Safari is more energy efficient on macOS compared to other browsers.
But like it or not the (artificial) hold Safari has over the iOS/iPadOS ecosystem is the only thing stopping a complete Google hegemony over the web browser market.
Mozilla is circling the drain and the few nascent new browser projects are years away from technical maturity and may never establish any meaningful market share anyway.
Lol so I should appreciate that apple is preventing browser choice because they chose not to use chromium for the only option they provide?
Fuck Apple. This situation is on them. Preventing other browsers should have triggered governments to rip them apart for monopolistic practices. I cannot say "fuck apple" enough.
Mozilla is not "circling the drain". Firefox is great, haters can hate all they want.
Yep definitely. I can open 100+ safari tabs but my shitty old laptop will crash if I have 20 on chrome or firefox or brave
Having more than 20 tabs open is a bad idea. And yeah it's going to be a faster browser when you deeply tied it into the OS you also built. Doesn't make it better in the least.
Never said it was a good idea or that safari is better
The nicest thing I can say about it is at least they killed Flash.
As a web dev, screw safari. Apple just randomly decides to not follow web standards some time so I spend tons of time debugging random safari issues that I CANT EVEN TEST MYSELF because I don't pay for apple products
No, not Safari. While it's technically true that Safari's WebKit engine isn't based on Chromium's Blink engine, that's only because the genetic relationship goes in the other direction: Blink was initially forked from WebKit (which was itself forked from KHTML, by the way).
Point is, Mozilla's Gecko is the only major browser engine that's fully unrelated to Blink.
What about the Ladybird project?
I feel like you'd be interested in Ladybird. It's a fully independent web browser under development, it's still in its very early stages but they seem serious about it.
We need a better funding model for open source.
Praying that people will donate enough to support your browser isn't exactly great and really doesn't work for most open-source projects.
Unless they are doing something new in that space, it'll just he smooching up to big donors in back rooms.
At least Firefox is open about their deal with Google.
I've always said "give everyone a software voucher they can spend on whatever software developer and the government assigns grants based on vouchers"
The challenge for Ladybird and other independent browser projects is the enormous size and scope required of modern browsers, which is also still growing. Web browsers are now probably second only to operating systems in complexity in the personal computing space.
Plus even if they do reach technical maturity, they still have to convince people to use it. That’s not been going very well for Mozilla, and they already have a working browser.
We need the Swiss gov to step in and start developing their own browser lol
What would it actually take? Google did it. Apple did it with WebKit.
Do you have to be as big as google, apple, or microsoft to make a browser? Is a browser as labor intensive as a whole-ass operating system? Or does it have to do with proprietary/patented tech roadblocks?
What’s hard to do is the engine, you can just take gecko or webkit and make your own browser. I doubt Mozilla’s AI ventures will affect gecko, probably just the browser itself.